Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[drdel]

I understand where you're coming from - my wife relies on breast cancer medication.

She has been in to see her GP and - most importantly - her pharmacist. Both have reassured her that supplies of the drug are plentiful, and have been reassured by their suppliers over Brexit.

For those worrying over Yellowhammer - and I totally appreciate the concerns - these are worst case scenarios.

I haven't really looked in detail at it but from what I saw there were an awful lot of 'could' in it.

But as a public servant what really grates me are those members of the public who think 'we' (it is us remember who do the donkey work, not the Government) are not doing anything to mitigate those scenarios. I would say a large % of the civil service were remain voters (and still are!) but we are working our arses off to deliver Brexit, whether that's no deal or with a deal.

Civil Servants are always the butt of jokes etc but the ones I've come across in Westminster are as professional as anyone else I've worked with. Ignore the ignorant.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I understand where you're coming from - my wife relies on breast cancer medication.

She has been in to see her GP and - most importantly - her pharmacist. Both have reassured her that supplies of the drug are plentiful, and have been reassured by their suppliers over Brexit.

For those worrying over Yellowhammer - and I totally appreciate the concerns - these are worst case scenarios.

I haven't really looked in detail at it but from what I saw there were an awful lot of 'could' in it.

But as a public servant what really grates me are those members of the public who think 'we' (it is us remember who do the donkey work, not the Government) are not doing anything to mitigate those scenarios. I would say a large % of the civil service were remain voters (and still are!) but we are working our arses off to deliver Brexit, whether that's no deal or with a deal.

Thanks for that, much appreciated, it’s funny the messages you get from pharmacists etc, we’ve been told by our pharmacist they received emails to say there could be shortages but not of any specific drugs, which is pretty meaningless in itself.

Fully appreciate the work the civil servants do or as we squaddies called you f@&) civvies.
Thanks again.

 

[IanM]

Meanwhile.... look at the world pharmaceutical industry outside the EU.

Anyone would think there wasn't one.

 

[Old Skier]

Fully appreciate the work the civil servants do or as we squaddies called you f@&) civvies.
Thanks again.

Don't weaken, they will think they are useful.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Meanwhile.... look at the world pharmaceutical industry outside the EU.

Anyone would think there wasn't one.

Makes no sense what so ever.

 

[SocketRocket]

When I consider the concerns over shortages of medicines etc after a no deal Brexit I cannot understand how suggested shortages will happen. Lets just consider medication, a lot of medication is made in the UK so does this mean countries in the EU would have shortages if they can't get out the UK, the EU don't appear to be panicking about it. Medicine coming into the UK passes from the EU and into the UK, be that by ship or aircraft, to create shortages the UK border would have to hold up the supply at our ports. Is this likely to happen and if so how and why?

I am genuinely interested in the answer to this and would apreciate sensible replies please.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

When I consider the concerns over shortages of medicines etc after a no deal Brexit I cannot understand how suggested shortages will happen. Lets just consider medication, a lot of medication is made in the UK so does this mean countries in the EU would have shortages if they can't get out the UK, the EU don't appear to be panicking about it. Medicine coming into the UK passes from the EU and into the UK, be that by ship or aircraft, to create shortages the UK border would have to hold up the supply at our ports. Is this likely to happen and if so how and why?

I am genuinely interested in the answer to this and would apreciate sensible replies please.

Here’s one link, link also mentions not all shortages are linked to Brexit, but how the whole process is fragile.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....d-than-you-think_uk_5d760f0ce4b0fde50c29821f/


Another one and this mentions the risk to the EU.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1V20FQ

 

[robinthehood]

Appallingly
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49690618

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I understand where you're coming from - my wife relies on breast cancer medication.

She has been in to see her GP and - most importantly - her pharmacist. Both have reassured her that supplies of the drug are plentiful, and have been reassured by their suppliers over Brexit.

For those worrying over Yellowhammer - and I totally appreciate the concerns - these are worst case scenarios.

I haven't really looked in detail at it but from what I saw there were an awful lot of 'could' in it.

But as a public servant what really grates me are those members of the public who think 'we' (it is us remember who do the donkey work, not the Government) are not doing anything to mitigate those scenarios. I would say a large % of the civil service were remain voters (and still are!) but we are working our arses off to deliver Brexit, whether that's no deal or with a deal.

Please correct me if I am wrong, Nicola Sturgeon said that the government document shown to her said base level scenario, not worst case.
There seems to be confusion about the first leaked document and the one issued by the government.

My Welsh cousin is already experiencing shortages of his life preserving cancer drug and both his doctor and pharmacist warn him it will be difficult to get after Brexit.
Whether that is to do with Brexit or not I do not know.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Please correct me if I am wrong, Nicola Sturgeon said that the government document shown to her said base level scenario not worst case.
There seems to be confusion about the first leaked document and the one issued by the government,

I've no idea what Nicola Sturgeon said or saw but is it possible that "base level" was being used as another term for worst case in that the base is the lowest? In my field (geology) the base level is the lowest level that land can be eroded to by a stream or river so in that example it is the "worst case" scenario.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Please correct me if I am wrong, Nicola Sturgeon said that the government document shown to her said base level scenario, not worst case.
There seems to be confusion about the first leaked document and the one issued by the government.

My Welsh cousin is already experiencing shortages of his life preserving cancer drug and both his doctor and pharmacist warn him it will be difficult to get after Brexit.
Whether that is to do with Brexit or not I do not know.

Personally at the moment anything a politician comes out with is spinning for their own personal gain IMO. I've certainly been working on mitigating worst case scenario.

Re. your Welsh cousin and his drug shortage that's sad to hear, but we're still an EU member state so any drug shortages are not because of Brexit. Obviously I have no idea what goes on in Wales but I'm assuming from your post that it's NHS? Health and health services are devolved issues in Wales so surely that's responsibility of the Welsh Government to ensure there are adequate supplies?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Personally at the moment anything a politician comes out with is spinning for their own personal gain IMO. I've certainly been working on mitigating worst case scenario.

Re. your Welsh cousin and his drug shortage that's sad to hear, but we're still an EU member state so any drug shortages are not because of Brexit. Obviously I have no idea what goes on in Wales but I'm assuming from your post that it's NHS? Health and health services are devolved issues in Wales so surely that's responsibility of the Welsh Government to ensure there are adequate supplies?

So Yellowhammer is base level then, not worst case.

 

[Foxholer]

Everything the public needs to know is on GOV.UK and the technical notices that have been published.
...

That's good to know. However, I do wonder how 'the public needs to know' was/is determined. Obviously Yellowhammer file was considered something that the public didn't need to know, but has created quite an uproar, at least in the media, when it was leaked.

 

[Dellboy]

My sister in-law is already having problems with shortages of cancer drugs, but that’s more down to the very poorly ran NHS service in Scotland than Brexit.

She is planning to move down here in the South West next year, so she can get much better treatment.

Perhaps wee nippy should be getting her own house in order before trying to tell us how to live our lives.

God knows how bad the Scottish NHS will get once the EU are in control of Scotland!!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

My sister in-law is already having problems with shortages of cancer drugs, but that’s more down to the very poorly ran NHS service in Scotland than Brexit.

She is planning to move down here in the South West next year, so she can get much better treatment.

Perhaps wee nippy should be getting her own house in order before trying to tell us how to live our lives.

God knows how bad the Scottish NHS will get once the EU are in control of Scotland!!

Probably better than English trusts are doing at the moment under EU control I would imagine.

Never a good idea to play different trusts against each other for political dogma, I could tell you quite a few sorry tales from family and friends in England and Wales
A good example being that bowel cancer checks start much earlier in Scotland.

 

[stefanovic]

My survival guide for a no deal Brexit.

Operation Yellow Hammer doesn't particularly bother me.

But in the case of Operation Black Swan (the disaster scenario) then I think I'd better dig a well, start growing vegetables, buy a sailing dinghy in case I need to cross the Channel.

This should be our anthem now.
March to the scaffold.

 

[SocketRocket]

Appallingly
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49690618

That makes three or even four of them if you include his mate Osborne. It really is a case of the pot calling the kettle a utensil of colour

 

[SocketRocket]

Here’s one link, link also mentions not all shortages are linked to Brexit, but how the whole process is fragile.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....d-than-you-think_uk_5d760f0ce4b0fde50c29821f/


Another one and this mentions the risk to the EU.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1V20FQ

Thanks for those links although after reading them nothing in them addresses my question regarding freight coming into the uk and how this would be held up. Are the stories about shortages in the UK after a no deal BREXIT being manipulated for political gain?

 

[Leftie]

Are the stories about shortages in the UK after a no deal BREXIT being manipulated for political gain?

I really can't imagine how that thought ever came into your head..........

 

[Hobbit]

Thanks for those links although after reading them nothing in them addresses my question regarding freight coming into the uk and how this would be held up. Are the stories about shortages in the UK after a no deal BREXIT being manipulated for political gain?

Of course they're being manipulated for political gain. Why would the UK stop essential products from reaching the supermarkets and pharmacies? There's products entering the UK from all around the world. Do you see massive queues at customs posts for those products?

Going off at a tangent; there's been stories of 10% hike on the price of cars coming from the EU? Why? Is it because prices are lower between EU countries? Some on here have suggested that buying a product from elsewhere in the world will be more expensive because of shipping costs. A BMW 118 bought in the UK is around £17,700. A BMW 118 bought in Egypt is.... wait for it.... £11,600. If the UK govt is raising taxes to send to the EU, I wonder what the Price will be when they don't have to? 10% higher, as people have said? Really? Explain the logic in that.