SocketRocket
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Do you agree that two leave options and one remain would be unfair?
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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clubchamp98
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There is no way to word it that doesn't split the leave vote.
So it’s leave or remain ,and we have done that already.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Yes there is. Though it complicates the 'paper' slightly. 2 questions.
Q1 Leave/Remain
Q2 If Leave (Result) Deal/No Deal
Whether Q2 is separate to or consequential on Q1 would need 'to be established', but that effectively combines 2 separate questions.
Personally, I don't believe in a repeat referendum if the question/conditions hasn't/haven't changed! Article 50 was/is quite clear about the process, so let's get it done!
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
No, because it has become evident that leave has too many facets.
Thus making it a minority opinion.
The first referendum was incorrectly worded, remain has always been a known consequence. People’s vision of leave has always differed.
On here everyone said TM’s deal was poor ... but it had its supporters.
Like it or not leave needs definition, Boris is enacting his vision of leave. He has a minority.
Hence the GE needs to be laid out with what each party will enact.. leave with deal, leave no deal , remain
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
How about :
Remain with or without Eurozone
Remain with or without Schengen
Or do you only see options on one side of the debate?
Personally having become disinterested in politics early in adulthood mainly due to entrenched party politics, the whole referendum piece I found interesting as it seemed to ignore party lines. Seems a shame that the country couldn't use that to find a better process as we seem heavily back into the party world again.
Beezerk
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Yes there is, as already mentioned last week, Leave With "Deal" and Leave With No Deal.
The referendum to leave or not has already been done, if there's another it should be on how we leave.
spongebob59
Journeyman Pro
Jog on
Has Boris found his get out? By law he has to ask for an extension but he is going to tell the EU today that if they offer it to him he will reject it. Can he do that on his own? Did the bill not have a clause that if offered an extension then parliament decides whether the UK accepts or not?
Listening to the news this morning no one is giving a counter argument to Boris turning the extension down.
Listening to the news this morning no one is giving a counter argument to Boris turning the extension down.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
The bill as I understand it requires the PM to ask for an extension until January if an agreement hasn't been passed by 19th Oct. If the EU says no and offers a different date he must bring it before parliament for a vote on whether to accept it or not. The question seems to be whether Boris has found a loophole in the bill which enables him to either not send the letter asking for the extension or to reject the extension if offered.
Fade and Die
Medal Winner
They did say Laws made quickly are often bad Laws so maybe Boris’s legal eagles have spotted a loophole they can exploit. Either that or he’s bluffing.
I'm guessing the bods on the no-deal side are currently analysing the Bill with a magnifying glass to see if this is an option or another Boris bluff.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Looks like it could come down to whether Leave or Remain have got the better lawyers.
Good old lawyers. At least they will be making a good wedge out of all of this. Bless em
Interesting conundrum for The Libs and Jo Swinson.... if we had election and she was asked to form a coalition with the Tories.... would she???
i'd suspect the same as the last power hungry Lib leader.... in a heartbeat
i'd suspect the same as the last power hungry Lib leader.... in a heartbeat
woody69
Journeyman Pro
The single transferable vote system gets around the split-Brexit-vote problem and guarantees that all three sides are represented, while also guaranteeing a clear majority for the eventual winner.
I strongly disagree that no-deal should be omitted. About 20-25% of the population supports it and a referendum without their favoured option would be a joke and would reinforce all the paranoid/conspiracy nonsense that we read from some people
Similarly, we can't omit a well supported option because the people setting the referendum question reckon it would be bad for the country and would hurt people. If a majority of the voters opt for an act of self-harm because they don’t know a fact from a lie, then let them have their economic and cultural disaster, they deserve it. To do otherwise would validate all the nonsense about the metropolitan liberal deep state conspiracy that the Brexit nutters-wing have been yammering on about for years. None of it is true and we certainly don’t want to make it true.
There is only one way to run a second referendum that is fair and decisive. Three options: WA deal, no deal, no Brexit. Single transferable vote system.
Foxholer
Blackballed
I disagree! I certainly wasn't a fan of the idea of creating, and funding, a European Army - currently only a proposition. I'm sure others were/are dubious of both current and potential new proposals unable to be rejected by voting for a change of policy.
The one thing that ALL Leave voters wanted was to leave the EU. It's up to politicians/negotiators to get the best (acceptable) deal, either as part of the leaving, or as soon as possible afterwards.
Foxholer
Blackballed
I'm sure they'd try to do so too. Though how they'd handle the all important Brexit issue where they are in opposite corners, I have no idea! Another Referendum perhaps?Interesting conundrum for The Libs and Jo Swinson.... if we had election and she was asked to form a coalition with the Tories.... would she???
i'd suspect the same as the last power hungry Lib leader.... in a heartbeat
The last Tory/LibDem coalition worked quite well imo. The LDs got the referendum they were pushing for. And, I believe, softened some of the hard-lined Tory ideas. Their 'problem', imo, was that they were deemed ineffective as the public never actually saw their achievements.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I have already been accused of not understanding what I was voting for last time, as I was to stupid to understand the arguments (lies on both sides).
Not sure if I could handle Two questions!!
Leave / remain has been done ,it should just be WD or ND.
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
No point talking about that aspect of remain, it was never offered. Perhaps it is something for a later date. But I would also say we have had the opportunity to make those decisions via our representatives, the fact we haven’t suggests we are not interested.
The more questions that get asked, the more complicated it gets, the more chance of remain. The question itself is so crucial which is why the original question was simple and binary. You really can't have a referendum with one question leading to another question.
(I do know that your opening line is said in jest etc but the type of question matters which is why, I believe, the Electroral Commission set it last time, not politicians.
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