Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[spongebob59]

So the talk is all about the Remainer Alliance voting down the Queen’s Speech after Oct 14 & backing Keir Starmer as an interim Prime Minister to stop Brexit on Oct 31... Will Corbyn really agree to that? And will that help or hinder Boris Johnson?

 

[spongebob59]

This from a trade union source: “The union frustration with John Mc, Emily T etc was mainly about timing. People know they will push for remain being best even against a so-called improved deal under Labour, but union leaders did not think they should be saying that out loud now”

 

[Mudball]

So apparently we are in this mess because of Rich London Remainers ... says the man whose house features a separate 'Tapestry Room', 'Reading Room' and 'Formal Living Room' spread across two floors.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pm-aide-dominic-cummings-blames-19928675

 

[SocketRocket]

So the talk is all about the Remainer Alliance voting down the Queen’s Speech after Oct 14 & backing Keir Starmer as an interim Prime Minister to stop Brexit on Oct 31... Will Corbyn really agree to that? And will that help or hinder Boris Johnson?

Who is the talk from ?

 

[Blue in Munich]

Tweet from Daniel Hannan

2016: Goldman Sachs says Brexit would be a “disaster”which would force it to cut its UK presence.
2019: Goldman Sachs opens a billion pound new European head office in London.

Wait, Goldman Sachs, who has just employed Olly Robbins?

Hey Remainers! Joining the dots yet?

 

[woody69]

Are you saying if there are any kind of checks then it will insight violence. Really !

I'm not saying it. An extensive paper completed by UNESCO are saying it - https://senatormarkdaly.files.wordp...o-chairs-report-brexit-return-to-violence.pdf

There will be a return to violence in Northern Ireland in the event of the installation of infrastructure, custom checks and security on the Irish border as a result of a no deal Brexit. The only issue is the scale of the violence. This is the clear finding of the research and the analysis of the current situation in Northern Ireland by UNESCO Chairs on Children, Youth, and Community, Professor Pat Dolan and Professor Mark Brennan. They reach the same conclusion as did the Northern Ireland Peace Monitoring Report and leading social and political experts.

 

[woody69]

Tweet from Daniel Hannan

2016: Goldman Sachs says Brexit would be a “disaster”which would force it to cut its UK presence.
2019: Goldman Sachs opens a billion pound new European head office in London.

Wait, Goldman Sachs, who has just employed Olly Robbins?

Hey Remainers! Joining the dots yet?

You think they planned and built that office in the 3 years since the referendum, or do you think that perhaps the project was already in progress before the vote and the costs already sunk into it versus the risk of whatever happens meaning they end up reducing their presence in the UK meant it was worth continuing to build? Perhaps we should wait and see what actually happens when this whole mess is sorted out as to whether companies like GS continue to invest in their UK operation. Hopefully they will.

 

[ColchesterFC]

You think they planned and built that office in the 3 years since the referendum, or do you think that perhaps the project was already in progress before the vote and the costs already sunk into it versus the risk of whatever happens meaning they end up reducing their presence in the UK meant it was worth continuing to build? Perhaps we should wait and see what actually happens when this whole mess is sorted out as to whether companies like GS continue to invest in their UK operation. Hopefully they will.

Of course they did. Those eastern European builders are very efficient.

 

[USER1999]

Of course they did. Those eastern European builders are very efficient.

Needed to get it finished before the builders all got sent home.

 

[Blue in Munich]

You think they planned and built that office in the 3 years since the referendum, or do you think that perhaps the project was already in progress before the vote and the costs already sunk into it versus the risk of whatever happens meaning they end up reducing their presence in the UK meant it was worth continuing to build? Perhaps we should wait and see what actually happens when this whole mess is sorted out as to whether companies like GS continue to invest in their UK operation. Hopefully they will.

I think that if it was going to be that much of a disaster they would have pulled the plug. I think they’ll have taken bigger hits than that, and that if they are any sort of decent as a finance firm they’d have covered that option at the long term planning stage.

I think it’s fairly conclusive proof that certain firms and the Government were in cahoots over Project Fear, because those in charge are doing everything they can to frustrate the outcome of the vote.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

The City of London has been one of the world's leading centres of finance, trade and commerce for a few hundred years - always will be irrespective of whether we're in the EU or not.

 

[woody69]

I think that if it was going to be that much of a disaster they would have pulled the plug. I think they’ll have taken bigger hits than that, and that if they are any sort of decent as a finance firm they’d have covered that option at the long term planning stage.

I think it’s fairly conclusive proof that certain firms and the Government were in cahoots over Project Fear, because those in charge are doing everything they can to frustrate the outcome of the vote.

Well they did mitigate the risk by agreeing to have flexibility to adjust the number of floors it takes - https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-g...ffice-set-for-occupancy-in-2019-idUKKBN1661TM so I'm not sure how it is "conclusive proof" of anything. Correlation is not necessarily causation.

Did you know they have also already sold the building - https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/goldman-sachs-sells-new-london-headquarters-for-1bn-20180823

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Scottish Appeals Courts rule Johnson's prorogue illegal yea
Aff wii his heed Queenie

 

[Foxholer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

 

[Foxholer]

Are you saying if there are any kind of checks then it will insight violence. Really !

Perhaps not.

More likely to incite violence imo!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I always find it odd that a ruling can be approved by a number of courts but on appeal number, 3/4/5 (delete accordingly) suddenly it can be overturned and that is the one everyone takes heed of. What about the original x number of decisions that say it is okay?

This decision was taken in a Scottish court, does it have any bearing on a UK govt decision?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

One of the petitioners to the Scottish Court thinks that the Speaker could just wander into the chamber and open the HoC for today's business. But he admitted that as we have never been here before nobody really knows what could happen next. Is the prorogation currently null and void? Would the PM have to go to Queenie and ask for parliament to be reconvened? What happens between now and Tuesday when the Supreme court considers? Goodness only knows.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

UK Supreme Appeal Court next week, experts say they are unlikely to overturn Scottish judgement.(after yellowhammer mess up)
Atm Scots MP'S can legally sit at Westminster? ......could be interesting.

 

[Foxholer]

Well they did mitigate the risk by agreeing to have flexibility to adjust the number of floors it takes - https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-g...ffice-set-for-occupancy-in-2019-idUKKBN1661TM so I'm not sure how it is "conclusive proof" of anything. Correlation is not necessarily causation.

Did you know they have also already sold the building - https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/goldman-sachs-sells-new-london-headquarters-for-1bn-20180823

Totally agree with both points.

Though they do apparently have 'history' wrt selling 'their' buildings!

Seems to be a great Head Office though! I thought the banking org I worked for in the early 80s was 'progressive' devoting 1 of it's 12 floor head office to a gym! But that building goes many steps further! Be interesting to see how much use is made of some of the 'more progressive' aspects.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

UK Supreme Appeal Court next week, experts say they are unlikely to overturn Scottish judgement.(after yellowhammer mess up)
Atm Scots MP'S can legally sit at Westminster? ......could be interesting.

They may be able to sit but can they do anything? Can they take bills through the House, presumably not?

Is it just a stunt or will it mean everyone cancels their conferences and comes back? If they do come back, then what?

Unchartered territory.