spongebob59
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This ruling is that it was the PM's advice to the Queen on prorogation is unlawful. That does not (yet) change the prorogation itself. Though of course will add to pressure Supreme Court on all this is next Tuesday.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Colonel Bogey
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Scottish Appeals Courts rule Johnson's prorogue illegal yea
Aff wii his heed Queenie
wHAT A SURPRISE!
spongebob59
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@davidallengreen
puts “chances of the action succeeding in London as zeroâ€â€¦
The activist lawyers who brought this case chose to not fight it in London because they knew they would lose under English law. They had to retreat to Scotland which has a very different interpretation of constitutional matters.
@davidallengreen
puts “chances of the action succeeding in London as zeroâ€â€¦
The activist lawyers who brought this case chose to not fight it in London because they knew they would lose under English law. They had to retreat to Scotland which has a very different interpretation of constitutional matters.
woody69
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ColchesterFC
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If Parliament was to be recalled, as called for by Labour and SNP, what are they hoping to achieve? They've voted against an election twice so I'm guessing it won't be that. Some in Labour are now calling for a 2nd referendum before a General Election. With the government now not having a majority can the opposition parties take control of business and bring in a law requiring the government to hold a referendum before 31st October? And if so can the government do anything about it?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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...and the government's case in front of the Supreme Court is helped (?) by the opening three lines of it's response to the Online Petition in respect of the prorogation, which rather point to the government's reason for the prorogation.
Prorogation is a prerogative Act of the Crown, exercised on the advice of Ministers. We must respect the referendum result and the UK will be leaving the EU on 31 October whatever the circumstances.
The UK will be leaving the EU on 31 October whatever the circumstances. We must respect the referendum result.
The response then goes on at length about the need for a Queen's Speech and that being the sole reason for the prorogation.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Or maybe English High Court and Court of Appeal on holiday in August and September?
https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/the-justice-system/term-dates-and-sittings/term-dates/
Blue in Munich
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Sold it and immediately leased it back according to the article.
Slightly different to just selling it then, as per your post, which infers they are getting out. Keep up the Project Fear. ðŸ‘
Swinglowandslow
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I am amazed at the cheek of those Scots wanting to break from the UK thinking they have a moral right to influence ( totally disproportionately) matters vitally important to the running of the UK.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that we would be better off cutting Scotland loose from the the U.K. and letting them spout their views elsewhere.
Then perhaps we won't have the Press running after that woman to see what she has to say about matters which she does not want to concern her!!
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woody69
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If you inferred anything from my post then I apologise as that was not my intention. However, it is likely the reason it was sold and then immediately leased back was to no doubt free up cash tied up with the property, or perhaps to ensure the asset and the liability was kept off the balance sheet. You could assume that not having a building as an asset makes it easier for them to move, plus taking reduced space in the building means whatever way you look at it the workforce has been reduced.
The simple fact of the matter though is a large number of Financial Organisations (including GS) have said they are reducing their presence in London whatever the outcome of the BREXIT negotiations and have been doing exactly that - https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/banks-to-flee-london-even-if-brexit-is-cancelled-20190128
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Except the UK cannot do that. It's up to the Scottish electorate in accordance with a referendum held under Section 30(2) of the Scotland Act 1998. BTW - who is the we - England and the English?
Westminster is the UK parliament, and so Scottish judges are entirely within their rights to rule on this UK parliament matter as it impacts the people of Scotland through their representation at Westminster. Bit of a bummer I know. As upsetting perhaps as upset as the many Scottish voters against independence would be were we to (somehow) cut Scotland loose.
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Doon frae Troon
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How kind of you to boost the SNP vote by saying you (representing the whole of Engerland) will not support Scottish unionists.
Btw please tell me what 'bits' do not concern Ms Cherry MP.
Swinglowandslow
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As for your first sentence, those rights might be legal rights, but not moral ones. ( We live in a country now swilling in legal rights, and bereft of moral ones. The former has killed the latter. )
Though I didn't know the Statutes which say is a matter only for the Scottish electorate ,I did know it was dependent on the "Scottish referendum".
I was not saying what the legal position is, but I clearly indicated my wishful thinking😊
BTW, if that referendum was a close victory for SNP, would they consider another one? Like hell they would. ( Do remainers pushing for a second referendum know what the word honour means?)
As for the "we", I meant the rest of the UK. Which is about 66million minus the 4 million Scots.( conservative estimate)
Which puts into focus the right of Scottish Judges to make a ruling. The impact on 4 million, as against the impact on 66 million.
So , it will be the first minister and her cronies who upset the many (?) Scottish voters against independence, but no doubt Boris will get the blame for that too.
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spongebob59
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The case of Attlee proroguing parliament to get legislation past the Lords is being cited by the High Court as proof that even if Boris prorogued for political reasons, it wouldn't be unlawful
Mudball
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Who do the English like less? EU or the Scots? Which do we leave first?
drdel
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Shall we have a referendum ? (Best of three)
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Bit tricky to define the electorate eligible to vote in a referendum for England to leave the UK?
And as it would be England leaving the UK - an English parliament would have to be set up somewhere as Westminster would remain the UK parliament building.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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There can be no moral basis for rUK throwing Scotland out of the Union.
Note that your estimate of the population of Scotland was out by 35% (pop is 5.4m) - equivalent to 19.3m on the pop of England.
Old Skier
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Old Skier
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Absolutely right, they voted to stay. Oh hang on a minute arn't the SNP keen on setting the example that The Peoples Vote counts for nothing.
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