Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SocketRocket]

From the man who keeps calling remainers losers, advice from you? No thanks.

Unless you can prove that accusation then I'm calling it a Lie.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Well yes but what options are there? Nothing will get through the HOC, Lib Dems and Labour have already stated that in not so many words. Then again Labour are all over the shop so they may change their minds if the wind blows from the South.

So maybe it’s time for all sides to come together, the tories are still the only ones negotiating, they’ve refused input from all opposition parties in the past, insist on going it alone and then blame everyone else when it’s going wrong.
Do you think Boris would of got a deal through if he’d of had 2 years of negotiations?
Look at the time the tories have wasted since the extension till 31 Oct was agreed:

Extension agreed 11th April.

TM brings ger deal back with no changes.

TM resigns, nothing done until Boris elected 24 May - 29 July.
4 months wasted out of that extension.

6 months sounded a long time in reality it’ll be 2.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Unless you can prove that accusation then I'm calling it a Lie.

You really are losing credibility whilst acting like a 12yr old.

 

[SocketRocket]

I have! IMO, nowhere near the level of Leave (and their media fans). I totally agree with Prof Dougan's descriptions of Leave campaign 'industrial scale dishonesty' and Remain's 'haven't exactly covered themselves in glory'.

And IMO project fear was a remain policy and worse than anything written on a bus.

 

[SocketRocket]

You really are losing credibility whilst acting like a 12yr old.

So you cant substantiate your accusation. I thought so 🙄

 

[Lord Tyrion]

You stated "The priority for Boris is to leave."

If my memory serves me right that's exactly what the main parties promised before the referendum and after the 'leave' vote result and MPs sanctioned Art50 by a very large majority; so I'm not sure it's fair to personalise it and paint it as solely a Boris decision.

Everyone who signed up for the Article 50 bill stated they wanted the UK to leave, in a round about way, but some are clearly keener than others. Some are now not so keen or only want it to happen after certain criteria have been met, some of which are unlikely. Boris stood for Conservative leader with a clear message that he wanted to take the country out of the EU no matter what by Oct 31st. He is not saying Oct 31st as long as the stars align, he is saying Oct 31st ideally with a deal but if not we go anyway. I genuinely believe he means that.

I am not saying that I agree with him but I do believe that if left to his own devices he would have the country leave come what may by that date. That is a different situation to the one we have been in before.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So you cant substantiate your accusation. I thought so 🙄

It was your interactions and posts with others that had the thread closed the other day and not for the first time, maybe you need to take a look at your posting style, it can’t always be someone else’s fault.

 

[SocketRocket]

It was your interactions and posts with others that had the thread closed the other day and not for the first time, maybe you need to take a look at your posting style, it can’t always be someone else’s fault.

Please show where I have called Remainers 'Losers' or retract it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Please show where I have called Remainers 'Losers' or retract it.

Have a look at post #12,833 from last night.

I will now stop replying to you, please do the same for me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Unless you can prove that accusation then I'm calling it a Lie.

The country isn't in deadlock, Leavers won and the Losers are inventing ways to make it seem they lost.

The thread is full of insults and derogatory comments and a lot these days seem to be coming from people who voted to leave

 

[SocketRocket]

The thread is full of insults and derogatory comments and a lot these days seem to be coming from people who voted to leave

That term 'Losers' was used not as a derogatory term against people who voted to remain, it was used as the opposite term to winning the referendum, like in a race, someone wins and someone loses. And you know it.

 

[Foxholer]

That term Losers was used not as a derogatory term against people who voted to remain, it was used as the opposite term to winning the election, like in a race, someone wins and someone loses. And you know it.

Challenge proven though!

End of!

 

[Deleted member 1418]

The thread is full of insults and derogatory comments and a lot these days seem to be coming from people who voted to leave

In keeping with the pantomime that this thread has become - 'oh no they're not'............

[over to you! ]

 

[oxymoron]

The thread is full of insults and derogatory comments and a lot these days seem to be coming from people who voted to leave

I don't know how you can really say that it seems to be an even split to me , however i do agree with you about this thread it is a shame that it has descended to the level it has . I wonder if some posters now want to wind people up rather than contribute to a level headed discussion .

 

[SocketRocket]

Challenge proven though!

End of!

Er What? No its not, I have not called Remainers losers in the way the accuser has suggested.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

I don't know how you can really say that it seems to be an even split to me , however i do agree with you about this thread it is a shame that it has descended to the level it has . I wonder if some posters now want to wind people up rather than contribute to a level headed discussion .

Same for about 95% of all the other threads on the Forum!!!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Challenge proven though!

End of!

He’s deflected on to LP rather than answer me, the silence in that respect is deafening!
Still I do believe I prefer the silence, I certainly won’t be demanding an apology.

 

[Foxholer]

Er What? No its not, I have not called Remainers losers in the way the accuser has suggested.

That may, or may not be true. But your challenge was answered with an instance that satisfied your demand! Therefore...challenge proven (or 'satisfied')!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't know how you can really say that it seems to be an even split to me , however i do agree with you about this thread it is a shame that it has descended to the level it has . I wonder if some posters now want to wind people up rather than contribute to a level headed discussion .

I guess I’m just skim reading these days and things like “remoaners” and losers etc keep appearing but you are prob right - it will be both sides

It is amusing at times the hypocrisy- one side complains about insults but then tries to defend the insults from their own side and vice versa

The whole thing now is a childish pantomime both on the thread and even in the HoC - as each day goes by it just gets worse.

I don’t want to even think what it is going to be like when the next extension happens

 

[woody69]

More exaggerated nonsense. There will be no hard border and what exactly has it got to do with the way terrorists operated in NI. If terrorists start shooting people its nothing to do with Custom arrangements its because of evil murderous people venting their ignorant dogma

So speaking to people who live in the region and grew up in that area through the troubles is just exaggerated nonsense? Is it exaggerated nonsense because it doesn't align with your opinion, or because you know something many people don't?

If there is no hard border, i.e. infrastructure from cameras to buildings where trucks can be stopped for purposes of checking paperwork and cargo are you suggesting there will be no impact on the peace process? Perhaps you can you suggest a viable alternative for the checks that will be required for goods moving between the EU and the UK assuming the "undemocratic" back-stop is dropped?