Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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It would appear so.

As I said above, kinda drives a cart & horses thru the notion of the opposition's job being to hold the government to account...
 
Fade and Die said:
Don’t know Phil, but who said this.....?

“Whether you favour Britain being in or out, we surely should all be able to agree on the simple principle that the decision over our membership should be taken by the British people… For too long, powers have been handed to Brussels over [the British people’s] heads. For too long, their voice on Europe has not been heard. This bill puts that right. It delivers the simple in/out referendum that we promised…”
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You can't pick out one thing said by one person in this whole mess and hold them to account over anyone else. We'd have nobody left (actually, maybe not a bad thing!)

Remember JRM once said it would make sense to have a second referendum after any negotiation with the EU is completed!
 
ger147 said:
The motion tonight is for the opposition to take control of tomorrow's business, the vote tonight is not about moving any dates.

And IMO, the opposition will vote against anything Boris proposes, including holding a GE.
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So they aren't voting on whether to make sure the government ask for an extension? Do they have to hold a vote on that tomorrow if they win tonight?

It would seem to be a bit hypocritical of Corbyn/Labour to vote against a GE when all they've been banging on about for the last few months is wanting an election.
 
ColchesterFC said:
So they aren't voting on whether to make sure the government ask for an extension? Do they have to hold a vote on that tomorrow if they win tonight?

It would seem to be a bit hypocritical of Corbyn/Labour to vote against a GE when all they've been banging on about for the last few months is wanting an election.
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Yeah, tomorrow is legislation to move the date and make no deal illegal if they win tonight's vote.

Hypocrisy is one of the key skills any politician requires to be successful these days...
 
ger147 said:
Yeah, tomorrow is legislation to move the date and make no deal illegal if they win tonight's vote.

Hypocrisy is one of the key skills any politician requires to be successful these days...
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Is it only tomorrow that they get to take control of? Or does it go on longer than that? And I assume that no deal is only illegal until there is a majority in parliament that are willing to back overturning that law.
 
Hobbit said:
If I lived in the UK I'd be doing what I always do. Read the manifesto for the parties. Listen to any meat to those manifesto pledges and then choose who I'd vote for. The GE is about far more than Brexit.
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But it is now proven that manifestos aren't worth the toilet paper they are written on.
 
chrisd said:
I've watched the BBC news for ever and in the Brexit matter the BBC clearly have been biased towards remain. Over the last few weeks they have started pretty much all their bulletins with an "in the case of a no deal brexit" story and imo have never sought to balance their story with any benefit that leaving may bring, it has been a re run of project fear. After the speech, which I thought Boris clearly said that no one wants a GE she straight away poo poo'd that and went off on a narrative imo that was in direct contrast to the speech, something shes been doing for a couple of years now.
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So dear Laura was right after all?
 
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