Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 1147]

...That either leaves no deal or no Brexit ...

I thought Boris was going to go over the Europe and bring back a shiny new deal. So surely you can add Brexit with an agreement of some sort.

 

[clubchamp98]

Jo Swinson, an MP, has said she has written to the Queen to educate her on what “Parliament wants”. The Queen was on the throne 28 years before Swinson was born. Also, Corbyn has threatened to see the Queen. Has the man no mercy?

Jo Swinton really is taking herself and her rag bag party of dissembling misfits far too seriously. Now she feels up to giving the Queen constitutional advice. This from a woman who stated that she will ignore any votes by the electorate to leave the E.U. Priceless!

The Lib Dem’s can’t be trusted!
Remember the tuition fees promise.
They will only ever be in a coalition government and blame the other party.

 

[Taz]

Any news on Sourby

 

[Taz]

@Peston
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27m

Why MPs have only themselves to blame for how
@BorisJohnson
is marginalising them. It is they who allowed him to become “president” Johnson

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-28...n-is-marginalising-them-writes-robert-peston/

 

[Old Skier]

Personally I think this is all strategy by Boris to get a general election called. He wants the Queen's speech to be used as a proxy for a vote of no confidence. because in his Queen's speech he will be promising money for the police, NHS, infrastructure and science (he's helpfully put that in his letter). He then wants the opposition and Tory rebels to vote against those things, bringing down his Government and going to the polls, he then has not just Brexit to go against Parliament but also can beat down the opposition for not supporting the NHS, police etc.

No Deal will be stopped, BJ has been bluffing all the way through and he's still bluffing (he has to, to get the BxP votes back). He still also pretends there will be an EU cave in and a deal to keep the deal Leavers onside. He wants/needs a majority and he needs enemies to campaign against. Give him a majority and he'll dump the DUP quicker than his ex-wife just diagnosed with cancer, then they'll be a border in the Irish sea and he gets Brexit without the backstop, job done! He'll also get a small economic boost because it's not No Deal.

Our MPs are not going to be falling over themselves to have a GE IMO. It would mean many of them losing their well paid jobs, there will be a blood fest in the Labour Party with many being ousted by Momentum, LibDems may gain the odd seat but according to DfT will lose their leader and unless the Torys sign up with the Farage mob we could see some of the old favorites being binned.

 

[Hobbit]

Upside is that leaving with No Deal should knacker Farage and his revolting mob. And I console myself with that thought. Still think it's a disgrace this circumventing of parliament just because the government doesn't fancy having to justify No Deal in any detail. And how does this proroguing fit with Johnson returning to the EU with a new idea to replace the Backstop - then taking it back to parliament if it is backed by the EU.

Its a small crumb of comfort Hugh. But suspending Parliament?!?

If a party hasn't got enough votes to carry out its manifesto it should call a GE, irrespective of whatever the issue is. Let the people support the party they think is best suited to move the UK forward, and if it is the Tories, with a Leave manifesto so be it.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I thought Boris was going to go over the Europe and bring back a shiny new deal. So surely you can add Brexit with an agreement of some sort.

The mistake you've made there is listening to Boris. The EU have said no changes to the agreement and our MPs won't accept the agreement. And why should the EU negotiate when many of our own MPs are doing such sterling work in preventing Brexit.

 

[woody69]

Our MPs are not going to be falling over themselves to have a GE IMO. It would mean many of them losing their well paid jobs, there will be a blood fest in the Labour Party with many being ousted by Momentum, LibDems may gain the odd seat but according to DfT will lose their leader and unless the Torys sign up with the Farage mob we could see some of the old favorites being binned.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1166718666362236928

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I think Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson is the worst culprit. She's suggested this move is "undemocratic". This being the woman that has openly campaigned for a 2nd referendum but has said she won't accept the result if Leave wins again.

I think many of those howling their outrage need to start being more honest about their intentions. They don't want to stop a no deal Brexit, they simply want to stop Brexit. The EU have said the WA can't be changed. Our MPs have voted against that agreement 3 times. That either leaves no deal or no Brexit and it's the latter that many of these people want. They've had 3 years to try to sort it out. How is losing 4 days going to make a difference?

Claims that this is "unprecedented" are also untrue. The shutdown happens before every new session of parliament so it is very much following precedent.

Jo Swinson she is a bit fast and loose with her 2nd referendum deals.
Fine for Westminster but not for Holyrood

 

[ColchesterFC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1166718666362236928

I didn't think that the UK has a constitution so does that mean it's not possible for something to be "unconstitutional".

 

[woody69]

I didn't think that the UK has a constitution so does that mean it's not possible for something to be "unconstitutional".

It has an "unwritten constitution", but the point of that post was showing that other people think the same as me, i.e. Boris is pushing for a VONC so he can go to the polls

 

[woofers]

Let the people support the party they think is best suited to move the UK forward, and if it is the Tories, with a Leave manifesto so be it.

Ummm, isn’t that what happened last time ..... ?
Result - lying, untrustworthy people like Raab

It’s certainly causing an outrage - a politician doing something he said he would do!
The reaction and outcry from the opposition is hilarious.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Ruth Davidson quits as leader of Scots Tories.
Probably due to embarrassment of her party.
Next leader could probably be pro Indy. [if they have any ambition].

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The mistake you've made there is listening to Boris. The EU have said no changes to the agreement and our MPs won't accept the agreement. And why should the EU negotiate when many of our own MPs are doing such sterling work in preventing Brexit.

Fortunately I’ve never made the mistake of listening to and believing Boris, or any politician for that matter.

 

[User62651]

Ruth Davidson quits as leader of Scots Tories.
Probably due to embarrassment of her party.
Next leader could probably be pro Indy. [if they have any ambition].

Is that official, thought it was a rumour?

Don't mind Ruthy but she's not in tune with BJ at all, that'll be more of the dreadful Jackson Carlaw then......nooooo

I think after today Brexit is now done and dusted, No Deal it is, no matter the cost.

Cummings and co have played this well to date, to think politics used to be so boring. However BJ can forget about the 13 MPs he currently has up here if there is another GE so who knows how that will go, if only 'sit on the fence' Corbyn would stand down I think Labour could have benefitted but they're nowhere in the polls.

Queen generally has to follow her PMs lead politically so any blame can be pinned squarely on the PM should a policy go badly. She had to ok the proroguing which was cleverly disguised.

Aside from the remain v leave nonsense I find where we are these days a bit worrying. What an unstable place we live in, didn't think the UK could do this to itself. Hopefully Remainers concerns will prove unfounded but loss of freedom of movement is still my main disappointment.

It'll be Indyref2 next and then a rejoin EU ref no doubt. Oh joy.


edit: just noticed new forum feature showing how many posts you've made per thread, 186 on here, holy crap, thought I'd stepped back, I'm out.

 

[ger147]

Is that official, thought it was a rumour?

Don't mind Ruthy but she's not in tune with BJ at all, that'll be more of the dreadful Jackson Carlaw then......nooooo

I think after today Brexit is now done and dusted, No Deal it is, no matter the cost.

Cummings and co have played this well to date, to think politics used to be so boring. However BJ can forget about the 13 MPs he currently has up here if there is another GE so who knows how that will go, if only 'sit on the fence' Corbyn would stand down I think Labour could have benefitted but they're nowhere in the polls.

Queen generally has to follow her PMs lead politically so any blame can be pinned squarely on the PM should a policy go badly. She had to ok the proroguing which was cleverly disguised.

Aside from the remain v leave nonsense I find where we are these days a bit worrying. What an unstable place we live in, didn't think the UK could do this to itself. Hopefully Remainers concerns will prove unfounded but loss of freedom of movement is still my main disappointment.

It'll be Indyref2 next and then a rejoin EU ref no doubt. Oh joy.

No, not official. Statement not expected from her until tomorrow.

 

[clubchamp98]

Is that official, thought it was a rumour?

Don't mind Ruthy but she's not in tune with BJ at all, that'll be more of the dreadful Jackson Carlaw then......nooooo

I think after today Brexit is now done and dusted, No Deal it is, no matter the cost.

Cummings and co have played this well to date, to think politics used to be so boring. However BJ can forget about the 13 MPs he currently has up here if there is another GE so who knows how that will go, if only 'sit on the fence' Corbyn would stand down I think Labour could have benefitted but they're nowhere in the polls.

Queen generally has to follow her PMs lead politically so any blame can be pinned squarely on the PM should a policy go badly. She had to ok the proroguing which was cleverly disguised.

Aside from the remain v leave nonsense I find where we are these days a bit worrying. What an unstable place we live in, didn't think the UK could do this to itself. Hopefully Remainers concerns will prove unfounded but loss of freedom of movement is still my main disappointment.

It'll be Indyref2 next and then a rejoin EU ref no doubt. Oh joy.

We have caused them so much hassle I am not sure they would let us rejoin.
Only our contributions would sway it but imagine the clauses they would want, join euro etc.

 

[IanM]

All this cos we are not allowed to leave the EU. Three years wilful delay to the result of the Referendum. And this thread hasn’t moved a soul in three years.

Hilarious.

 

[Taz]

That'll be great, rejoin the EU, ditch stirling and get the euro and a large joining fee instead.

 

[Tashyboy]

Ruth Davidson quits as leader of Scots Tories.
Probably due to embarrassment of her party.
Next leader could probably be pro Indy. [if they have any ambition].

Bit premature Doon. Word is she also has personal problems ☹️