Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Well May had the ball and dropped it (and in fact forgot the game she was playing). Johnson has picked up the 'bat' and he's got a load of his own side playing against him with not regard for the rules.

He's at least playing the 'game' and trying to get the the public the result they voted for by using the 'opposition's' own tactics. It should be no surprise.

I wonder what any of us would do faced with a load of duplicitous colleagues - He's is trying and the Brussels bandits are now listening.

I see Verhofstadt (that unbiased EU negotiator and Liberal democrat) is outraged and lecturing us on how the HoC should proceed - that'll guarantee the PM more public support.

The Independent now reports that the MEPs from across EU member states will attempt to hold the UK in contempt of democratic process and impose undemocratic sanctions against the UK's citizens - really!!
 
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Country voted. BoJo is delivering what they voted for.

Democracy at its finest.

Careful what you wish for, all playing nicely into SNPs hands. No Deal arguably affects us worst of all. With Davidson out the way who will step up? There aren't any politicians of note in Holyrood other than Sturgeon and Davidson these days.
 
Careful what you wish for, all playing nicely into SNPs hands. No Deal arguably affects us worst of all. With Davidson out the way who will step up? There aren't any politicians of note in Holyrood other than Sturgeon and Davidson these days.

I'm not wishing for anything I'm saying he's delivering what the public voted for.

I voted for independence, I lost and I accept that and I'm not beating the drum for another vote.
 
Country voted. BoJo is delivering what they voted for.

Democracy at its finest.

I'm really enjoying hearing so many Remainers, who have spent the last three years trying to ignore/overturn the result of the referendum - the biggest democratic vote in UK history, complaining that what Boris is doing is undemocratic. It seems that there a many people that really like democracy as long as you agree with them.
 
Boris is following the normal process for a new session.

In fact in April a Labour MP was moaning to Theresa May ...
Chris Bryant said “If the stories are true that the government is delaying the Queen’s Speech again, this will be the longest parliamentary session in the modern era.”

There's no pleasing some people.
 
Where as nicola who lost an indy vote and brexit vote and has not carried out the will of the people has plenty to say 🤔
 
Bit premature Doon. Word is she also has personal problems ☹️

This may be true, but lots of people go through personal problems in high profile jobs and manage through with a support network, medication, therapy, delegation of parts of role etc. And lets be honest, she's only leading a few dozen Scottish Tory MPs - hardly something she couldn't take a break from to recover, if she was really committed to the role. She is going to remain an MSP... so will still be working full time in a public role.

Being sceptical, I'd imagine it has more to do with her no longer having the PM's ear and in fact many Tory MPs and most of the members do not share her views on Europe or even that it is worth keeping Scotland in the UK.

It's one thing being an 'insurgent' in the party and raising your profile and status of yourself and Scottish Tory politician's you lead, as well as having some kind of electoral success. It's another seeing that status evaporate in a number of months and having to resist shouting from the sidelines for the sake of some kind of appearance of party unity.

Ruth can likely see the writing on the wall. Perhaps she feels a No Deal is not likely to be avoided, her party in England has become UKIP with a blue rosette, NI will effectively be cast into the Irish sea with the rest of Ireland, retaining defacto EU status - the UK economy will enter a recession within the next 12 months... and the people who are left trying to argue for the Union and worse trying to claim a second Scottish Referendum shouldn't even be on the table, will look like a battered wife claiming that their husband 'is just under a bit of stress and he still loves me, really'.

Clearly not a scenario she has the stomach for... especially with potentially having to defend Boris in every broadcast interview she does while they are both still in their current roles. Especially if there was a UK election called and you can't suddenly be 'unavailable for an interview'.
 
This may be true, but lots of people go through personal problems in high profile jobs and manage through with a support network, medication, therapy, delegation of parts of role etc. And lets be honest, she's only leading a few dozen Scottish Tory MPs - hardly something she couldn't take a break from to recover, if she was really committed to the role. She is going to remain an MSP... so will still be working full time in a public role.

Being sceptical, I'd imagine it has more to do with her no longer having the PM's ear and in fact many Tory MPs and most of the members do not share her views on Europe or even that it is worth keeping Scotland in the UK.

It's one thing being an 'insurgent' in the party and raising your profile and status of yourself and Scottish Tory politician's you lead, as well as having some kind of electoral success. It's another seeing that status evaporate in a number of months and having to resist shouting from the sidelines for the sake of some kind of appearance of party unity.

Ruth can likely see the writing on the wall. Perhaps she feels a No Deal is not likely to be avoided, her party in England has become UKIP with a blue rosette, NI will effectively be cast into the Irish sea with the rest of Ireland, retaining defacto EU status - the UK economy will enter a recession within the next 12 months... and the people who are left trying to argue for the Union and worse trying to claim a second Scottish Referendum shouldn't even be on the table, will look like a battered wife claiming that their husband 'is just under a bit of stress and he still loves me, really'.

Clearly not a scenario she has the stomach for... especially with potentially having to defend Boris in every broadcast interview she does while they are both still in their current roles. Especially if there was a UK election called and you can't suddenly be 'unavailable for an interview'.

And actually wee Roothie has been a senior Scottish Tory Party person that I could (almost :) ) relate to...and if UK Tory Party leader could have changed my perception of that party. But not to be. She will be a loss to Scottish politics as a whole - someone able to take Sturgeon on and push her. No idea who might replace her if she steps down. Whatever is driving her personal concerns - and that might simply be the pressures of caring for a wean or the lack of time she can put to it - I wish her well.
 
Where as nicola who lost an indy vote and brexit vote and has not carried out the will of the people has plenty to say 🤔

Mogg responds to Sturgeon calling him a “tin-pot dictator“.
“If the PM said Christmas Day was 25 December, Nicola Sturgeon would be outraged and shocked by that, so I wouldn’t worry too much about what the Scottish leader has to say.”
 
Mogg responds to Sturgeon calling him a “tin-pot dictator“.
“If the PM said Christmas Day was 25 December, Nicola Sturgeon would be outraged and shocked by that, so I wouldn’t worry too much about what the Scottish leader has to say.”

Well Mogg is lying about the proroguing and Johnson is always lying (and been sacked twice for it) and I guess Sturgeon lies a bit too. What's your point?
 
And so RD has resigned. I'm thinking that she cannae stand Johnson and his arrogant and almost dismissive attitude towards the concerns of Scots and Scotland as exemplified to her by his sacking of David Mundell. She might well have put up with him had it not been for her wish to be able to spend time with her babe.
 
This may be true, but lots of people go through personal problems in high profile jobs and manage through with a support network, medication, therapy, delegation of parts of role etc. And lets be honest, she's only leading a few dozen Scottish Tory MPs - hardly something she couldn't take a break from to recover, if she was really committed to the role. She is going to remain an MSP... so will still be working full time in a public role.

Being sceptical, I'd imagine it has more to do with her no longer having the PM's ear and in fact many Tory MPs and most of the members do not share her views on Europe or even that it is worth keeping Scotland in the UK.

It's one thing being an 'insurgent' in the party and raising your profile and status of yourself and Scottish Tory politician's you lead, as well as having some kind of electoral success. It's another seeing that status evaporate in a number of months and having to resist shouting from the sidelines for the sake of some kind of appearance of party unity.

Ruth can likely see the writing on the wall. Perhaps she feels a No Deal is not likely to be avoided, her party in England has become UKIP with a blue rosette, NI will effectively be cast into the Irish sea with the rest of Ireland, retaining defacto EU status - the UK economy will enter a recession within the next 12 months... and the people who are left trying to argue for the Union and worse trying to claim a second Scottish Referendum shouldn't even be on the table, will look like a battered wife claiming that their husband 'is just under a bit of stress and he still loves me, really'.

Clearly not a scenario she has the stomach for... especially with potentially having to defend Boris in every broadcast interview she does while they are both still in their current roles. Especially if there was a UK election called and you can't suddenly be 'unavailable for an interview'.
Why do you suggest NI will be cast into the Irish Sea?
How do you know there will be a recession within twelve months and even if there is are you suggesting Brexit would be the only reason?
Why would Scotland be so keen on an independence when it would mean a huge financial black hole in their economy when England stops paying and the EU wont.
Why does Boris need defending after every interview?
 
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