Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SocketRocket]

Did I detect a touch of micky-take in SILH's post? And a classic 'normal service' abusive over-reaction from SR?

Mickey-take 😜😜😜 is that Foxy code for 'sarcastic twaddle'
Pull your head out man, its dark up there.

 

[SocketRocket]

Nice to see that comrade Corbyn & Co have got together to see what they can do to stop a No Deal Brexit.

Perhaps if they'd engaged in the process rather than tried to frustrate and undermine it then they wouldn't find themselves looking at a No Deal Brexit. Their duplicity is scandalous.

They would be more convincing if they would be prepared to support a deal but they wont support any deal. Their only policy is to destroy Brexit, other than Corbyn who would do or say anything to get the keys to No10

 

[ColchesterFC]

They would be more convincing if they would be prepared to support a deal but they wont support any deal. Their only policy is to destroy Brexit, other than Corbyn who would do or say anything to get the keys to No10

But to be fair to the Lib Dems and SNP they have been consistent with their stance throughout. They aren't interested in stopping a No Deal Brexit, they are only interested in stopping Brexit. But that is their right and they have been clear on their position from the very beginning. You might not agree with them but in a democracy they have every right to take that position. At least with them, unlike with Labour, you are totally clear with what they want and what their position is.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Whats the matter with you, why are you talking like a spoiled child again.
What's different about the way we would act in this respect than the way most of the world do. Getting sovereignty back does not mean we will be a maverick state ignoring all world trading arrangements and you know it. 🙄

Ah right- here it is - this is how the uk will be in control of its trade deals agreed when they are agreed under the auspices of the WTO

https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/org3_e.htm

 

[SocketRocket]

But to be fair to the Lib Dems and SNP they have been consistent with their stance throughout. They aren't interested in stopping a No Deal Brexit, they are only interested in stopping Brexit. But that is their right and they have been clear on their position from the very beginning. You might not agree with them but in a democracy they have every right to take that position. At least with them, unlike with Labour, you are totally clear with what they want and what their position is.

How can they be a Democratic party, they can't pick and choose when democracy is ok and when not. If they had these principles then why didnt they stand by them during the referendum, Libdems weren't saying they would try and stop Brexit if Leave won. What they are doing is a disgrace just like the rest of their pathetic allies.

 

[SocketRocket]

Ah right- here it is - this is how the uk will be in control of its trade deals agreed when they are agreed under the auspices of the WTO

https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/org3_e.htm

What are you on about now. If the UK strikes a free trade deal it will be no different than the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, canada etc striking a deal. We wont be tied to freedom movement, EU Tarrifs, paying to be in a club, ECJ and so on.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

What are you on about now. If the UK strikes a free trade deal it will be no different than the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, canada etc striking a deal. We wont be tied to freedom movement, EU Tarrifs, paying to be in a club, ECJ and so on.

The UK does pay a contribution to the WTO as a member; and will also make contributions every now and again to funds enabling Ministers and officials/experts from least developed nations (especially those poorer South Pacific and African members that we have historical ties with) to attend important WTO meetings and conferences.

Like any organisation there's also an Appellate Body in the WTO where members can take disputes if these cannot be resolved bilaterally.

But ultimately any free trade agreements negotiated between WTO members will be within the WTO guidelines - how comprehensive these agreements are though and what products or services they actually cover will be up to the members.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Oh Gawd…...we are going to get Lords of the Brexit now.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Nice to see that comrade Corbyn & Co have got together to see what they can do to stop a No Deal Brexit.

Perhaps if they'd engaged in the process rather than tried to frustrate and undermine it then they wouldn't find themselves looking at a No Deal Brexit. Their duplicity is scandalous.

You could say the same about BJ.
He voted against a deal twice.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Ah right- here it is - this is how the uk will be in control of its trade deals agreed when they are agreed under the auspices of the WTO

https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/org3_e.htm

The UK is already a member of the WTO and therefore does not have to go through the application or accession process.

As a member we already adhere to the WTO rules.

So after 31st October, when I attend my November cluster of meetings in Geneva, I will not be sat with EU member states, I'll probably be sat next to the US!

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Oh Gawd…...we are going to get Lords of the Brexit now.

😂😂😂😂😂

Go on, post the latest from Wings to give us some light relief from all the boring stuff that I've posted!! 😉😂😂

 

[Doon frae Troon]

😂😂😂😂😂

Go on, post the latest from Wings to give us some light relief from all the boring stuff that I've posted!! 😉😂😂

Lady Making Your Mind Up of Bucks Fizz certainly has a good ring to it.
Her correspondence address is 'the land of make believe'.

 

[ger147]

Boris announces a Queen's speech for mid October so planning on suspending parliament very soon.

This is gonna be a fun 2 weeks.

 

[Foxholer]

A kick in the teeth for 'democracy'? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

Or the only way BJ can avoid all sorts of calls to delay Brexit Deal deadline?

 

[SocketRocket]

A kick in the teeth for 'democracy'? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

Or the only way BJ can avoid all sorts of calls to delay Brexit Deal deadline?

As you keep reminding us its all part of the way our constitution works, they are using the system just like the groovy gang are.

 

[Taz]

'Once again while the Remainers spent a lot of time talking to each other, not ruling anything out, keeping options on the table, forming groupings, having meetings, plotting plans and planning plots, they’ve been totally wrong-footed by more decisive opponents Yesterday it was the Remain Alliance trying to twist the constitution to achieve their ends. Today it’s the Brexit government. Meanwhile the public will remain baffled While everyone gets giddy at this unprecedented constitutional move: we need a Queen’s Speech (it’s been more than 2years). Under Labour almost all non-election QSs were in the autumn. All were preceded by a prorogation. Motivation is a different matter, but this is what we do The prorogation being proposed by the government is about a week longer than the planned 3-week party conference recess. It is sneaky. It is conniving. It is exploiting executive strength. It has caught opponents off-guard. It reveals a ruthless streak in this No10 that it’s predecessor lacked. But an illegal constitutional outrage it is not And the people calling this a constitutional outrage wanted to make Ken Clarke prime minister 'a fortnight ago

 

[Taz]

Peston....

This battle between government and MPs, over how and whether we Brexit, is now massively, bloodily raging. A number 10 source told me: “If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week, then we'll stay in No10, we won't recommend any alternative government,... “we'll dissolve Parliament and have an election between 1-5 November -- and that means no time for legislation”. Flippin’ ‘eck.

 

[Foxholer]

As you keep reminding us its all part of the way our constitution works, they are using the system just like the groovy gang are.

Indeed! Though my statement has normally been 'That's the way our version of Democracy works!'.

 

[Foxholer]

...It is sneaky. It is conniving. It is exploiting executive strength. It has caught opponents off-guard. It reveals a ruthless streak in this No10 that it’s predecessor lacked. But an illegal constitutional outrage it is not And the people calling this a constitutional outrage wanted to make Ken Clarke prime minister 'a fortnight ago

While not 'an illegal constitutional outrage', I have sympathy for those describing it as 'a constitutional outrage'. Still, this action was foreseen and nothing was (able to be?) done to prevent it, so....

However, it will likely unify anti No-Deal MPs who could well invoke a motion of No Confidence. given the government's miniscule majority, it's quite possib;e that that motion could succeed! Ken Clarke & Harriet Harman might well become joint PMs!

Big gamble on BoJo's part, but I suspect there's been plenty of 'analysis' done about possible moves and this was deemed his best path.

 

[Mudball]

So the mother of democracy and parliaments now making a mockery of it

1) hold a democratic vote based on half lies from both sides

2) Winning govt wants to uphold democracy by suspending parliament

3) Losing side wants to uphold democracy by aligning against govt to defeat the democratic mandate


All this while the economy trundles along..

You could not make this up.. this must be in Libya or Liberia or somewhere like that (apologies to both those countries) .. at what point do we send the Army in?