Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Foxholer]

..you ignorant turd!

Well, Pieman has helped out with you 'ignorance'!

Btw. A minor correction to my 'International Law' statement...'International protocols' is a better term. It's WTO obligations/dispute resolution protocols that would be triggered!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-after-no-deal-leaves-firms-baffled-0p2r55cbj

My daughter will be relieved to see clarification of yet another government mucking fuddle.
She flagged this up a few days ago and has been worried stiff since.

 

[Foxholer]

The following extracted suggests that although UK GI products will be protected in the UK, they will not necessarily be protected in the EU. If I understand the guidance correctly this means that anyone in the EU could produce a pasty and sell it in the EU as a Cornish Pasty.

Existing UK products
All existing UK products registered under EU GI schemes will get UK GI status and remain protected in the UK.

Protection of UK GIs in the EU
In a no deal Brexit, it’s possible that the EU may not continue to protect UK GI products. You’ll need to be prepared to apply to the European Commission to regain:

• EU protection
• the right to use the EU GI logo

You’ll need to show that your product is protected as a GI in the UK. The UK government will provide support and guidance for your application.

Correct - but only if EU removes their protection.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

The following extracted suggests that although UK GI products will be protected in the UK, they will not necessarily be protected in the EU. If I understand the guidance correctly this means that anyone in the EU could produce a pasty and sell it in the EU as a Cornish Pasty.

Existing UK products
All existing UK products registered under EU GI schemes will get UK GI status and remain protected in the UK.

Protection of UK GIs in the EU
In a no deal Brexit, it’s possible that the EU may not continue to protect UK GI products. You’ll need to be prepared to apply to the European Commission to regain:

• EU protection
• the right to use the EU GI logo

You’ll need to show that your product is protected as a GI in the UK. The UK government will provide support and guidance for your application.

As Foxholer stated, only if the EU removes their protection and then refuses to recognise the UK GIs. The key statement in the guidance are "it's possible that the EU may not........".

But what has been mentioned previously are the number of international laws and treaties that are relevant to GIs, especially in the WTO.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As Foxholer stated, only if the EU removes their protection and then refuses to recognise the UK GIs. The key statement in the guidance are "it's possible that the EU may not........".

But what has been mentioned previously are the number of international laws and treaties that are relevant to GIs, especially in the WTO.

Does this mean that once we have left the EU with No Deal and have our sovereignty back - and are back in full control of our laws and trade agreements - we will still have to obey WTO trading rules in respect of GIs - trading rules of which we will have no control as the UK will be just one of 164 member / contracted parties trading under the auspices of the WTO?

 

[SocketRocket]

Does this mean that once we have left the EU with No Deal and have our sovereignty back - and are back in full control of our laws and trade agreements - we will still have to obey WTO trading rules in respect of GIs - trading rules of which we will have no control as the UK will be just one of 164 member / contracted parties trading under the auspices of the WTO?

Whats the matter with you, why are you talking like a spoiled child again.
What's different about the way we would act in this respect than the way most of the world do. Getting sovereignty back does not mean we will be a maverick state ignoring all world trading arrangements and you know it. 🙄

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Does this mean that once we have left the EU with No Deal and have our sovereignty back - and are back in full control of our laws and trade agreements - we will still have to obey WTO trading rules in respect of GIs - trading rules of which we will have no control as the UK will be just one of 164 member / contracted parties trading under the auspices of the WTO?

In a nutshell every WTO member should be respecting agreed/listed GIs.

As you know, the main function of the WTO is to facilitate smooth trade between members and not hinder it in any way.

And we will have more of a say in the workings of the WTO as an independent member (and one of the biggest in terms of global trade) than we do at the moment where we are represented by the EU Commission. For example in the WTO negotiations I'm involved in, the UK position is more in line with the likes of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Iceland, Japan and South Korea (to name just a few) than the overall EU position.

In my opinion - from a number of conversations I've had in Geneva with non-EU WTO members - we'll have more influence as in independent member than as part of the EU delegation.

 

[USER1999]

In a nutshell every WTO member should be respecting agreed/listed GIs.

As you know, the main function of the WTO is to facilitate smooth trade between members and not hinder it in any way.

And we will have more of a say in the workings of the WTO as an independent member (and one of the biggest in terms of global trade) than we do at the moment where we are represented by the EU Commission. For example in the WTO negotiations I'm involved in, the UK position is more in line with the likes of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Iceland, Japan and South Korea (to name just a few) than the overall EU position.

In my opinion - from a number of conversations I've had in Geneva with non-EU WTO members - we'll have more influence as in independent member than as part of the EU delegation.

There you go again, waffling on with experience, and real stuff. Where are the flipping unicorns, the cliff edges, the crashing out stuff? Stop being so boring.

 

[Old Skier]

I get it now, The PM must respect Parliament however, Parliament doesn't have to respect the democratic result of the referendum.

The few warrent more respect than the many, seems fair. I'm sure the few will agree.

 

[Dando]

In a nutshell every WTO member should be respecting agreed/listed GIs.

As you know, the main function of the WTO is to facilitate smooth trade between members and not hinder it in any way.

And we will have more of a say in the workings of the WTO as an independent member (and one of the biggest in terms of global trade) than we do at the moment where we are represented by the EU Commission. For example in the WTO negotiations I'm involved in, the UK position is more in line with the likes of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Iceland, Japan and South Korea (to name just a few) than the overall EU position.

In my opinion - from a number of conversations I've had in Geneva with non-EU WTO members - we'll have more influence as in independent member than as part of the EU delegation.

I’m sure SILH and the other doom mongers will be along soon to tell you that you’re wrong as they heard something different that suits their agenda from some nutter on a radio station

 

[Foxholer]

Does this mean that once we have left the EU with No Deal and have our sovereignty back - and are back in full control of our laws and trade agreements - we will still have to obey WTO trading rules in respect of GIs - trading rules of which we will have no control as the UK will be just one of 164 member / contracted parties trading under the auspices of the WTO?

Whats the matter with you, why are you talking like a spoiled child again.
What's different about the way we would act in this respect than the way most of the world do. Getting sovereignty back does not mean we will be a maverick state ignoring all world trading arrangements and you know it. 🙄

Did I detect a touch of micky-take in SILH's post? And a classic 'normal service' abusive over-reaction from SR?

 

[Fade and Die]

Do some research about the way that area works then

Try harder/better then!

Well, Pieman has helped out with you 'ignorance'!

This is a change of Posting style from you Foxy, your normal MO is rather “smugger”... gleefully posting links to prove your point, only too keen to highlight your “superior” knowledge. Why’s that? What has Hobbitses done to upset you?

I prefer your old “pedant” style rather than your new “kellfire” style btw.😜

 

[Foxholer]

I get it now...

More like....
The un-democratically elected PM must respect the democratically elected House of Commons, which, according to the UK constitution, has the final say on how (and, indeed, whether) the result of the referendum is implemented.

That's how the UK version of 'democracy' works!

Btw. The appointed House of Lords is involved too, but has no real power over The Commons.

 

[Foxholer]

This is a change of Posting style from you Foxy, your normal MO is rather “smugger”... gleefully posting links to prove your point, only too keen to highlight your “superior” knowledge. Why’s that? What has Hobbitses done to upset you?

I prefer your old “pedant” style rather than your new “kellfire” style btw.😜

GaF-Ind='No'!!

 

[Old Skier]

More like....
The un-democratically elected PM must respect the democratically elected House of Commons, which, according to the UK constitution, has the final say on how (and, indeed, whether) the result of the referendum is implemented.

That's how the UK version of 'democracy' works!

Btw. The appointed House of Lords is involved too, but has no real power over The Commons.

Funny world, you try and use your not so superior knowledge when you explain how the unelected members of the EU are elected and forget how the PM of the Tory Party is elected.

 

[Fade and Die]

GaF-Ind='No'!!

Have you changed your meds?

 

[Foxholer]

Have you changed your meds?

Perhaps this might help.....

Need-Meds-Ind='No'!

 

[Foxholer]

Funny world, you try and use your not so superior knowledge when you explain how the unelected members of the EU are elected and forget how the PM of the Tory Party is elected.

That statement has so many issues/ways to be interpreted, it makes no sense!

 

[Old Skier]

That statement has so many issues/ways to be interpreted, it makes no sense!

You left out - to me

 

[Blue in Munich]

Nice to see that comrade Corbyn & Co have got together to see what they can do to stop a No Deal Brexit.

Perhaps if they'd engaged in the process rather than tried to frustrate and undermine it then they wouldn't find themselves looking at a No Deal Brexit. Their duplicity is scandalous.