Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Doon frae Troon]

Hi Hogie, welcome back, glad you and Mrs Hogie had a good time.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Because they have little actual modern capability (long gone are the days of rolling tanks and stuff around fields) and the decision making system would be fraught with information leaks, rotating 'command', delay and drag.

Scary thought...…..imagine the not so magnificent 10 being in charge of anything that involved 'decision making'.

 

[Dando]

Hi Hogie, welcome back, glad you and Mrs Hogie had a good time.

I suppose 1 person had to happy to see him back

 

[williamalex1]

Hi Hogie, welcome back, glad you and Mrs Hogie had a good time.

I'll second that, at least we know where he stands

 

[Blue in Munich]

I suppose 1 person had to happy to see him back

And no surprise as to who it was.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Ok - thanks for the welcome back - well thanks Doon and Billy , a clarification is clearly required from me

1) is there anything that I have said about the views of those who voted leave and leaving with No Deal on 31st October that is now not true? Unfortunately I don't think so, but I'll happily be corrected. As a result my position has changed.

Four months out of it (which is why I mentioned it) and it seems that most Leave voters now want UK to leave the EU on 31st October with no deal agreed; and that being the case no compromise deal will satisfy as it will be seen as a form of sop to Remain voters and not what Leave voters voted for; further I fear that any compromise deal will only lead to the growth in support for Farage and the BP and that in my view will be very divisive and damaging to the UK.

Given that choice, and given the seemingly firm position of leave voters, I go for the former. Let us be having the UK leave the EU on 31st October with no deal agreed. We will know that, whatever the eventual outcome and impact of doing so - and let us assume things turn out just fine - that will be as a result of the choice made by Leave leaders and voters and leave leaders and voters alone; there will be no 'what if' and 'if only' debates around what might have been achieved in negotiations had they been handled differently - and it might keep Farage away from any vestiges of real power in Westminster.

2) My observations were general and not aimed at forummers on one side of the debate or the other - though clearly they have been interpreted by some as being directed at one side only - that is not the case. Forummers on both sides of the debate are at fault. I'm not going to get involved.

 

[Foxholer]

...an EU army...

A larger, cooperative army that shares values, goals and technology.

...

 

[Foxholer]

Ok - thanks for the welcome back - well thanks Doon and Billy ...

I was busy yesterday..Welcome back!

...Let us be having the UK leave the EU on 31st October with no deal agreed. We will know that, whatever the eventual outcome and impact of doing so - and let us assume things turn out just fine - that will be as a result of the choice made by Leave leaders and voters and leave leaders and voters alone; there will be no 'what if' and 'if only' debates around what might have been achieved in negotiations had they been handled differently - and it might keep Farage away from any vestiges of real power in Westminster.
...

Well, as a Remain voter who 'prefers' to leave (with no deal being fine, at least in preference to the deal 'offered'!) on 31/10 - as a 2nd choice/'consolation for not leaving on 29/3 - I clearly contradict the added bold bit - as, I believe from my interpretation of your post, do you!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Just discovered a bit of a Brexie Bonus.
Seemingly my house price has jumped in value.
Lots of demand from south of the border driving the market according to the agent.

 

[Foxholer]

Just discovered a bit of a Brexie Bonus.
Seemingly my house price has jumped in value.
Lots of demand from south of the border driving the market according to the agent.

 

[Dando]

Just discovered a bit of a Brexie Bonus.
Seemingly my house price has jumped in value.
Lots of demand from south of the border driving the market according to the agent.

So house prices have finally broken through the £100 barrier 😂

 

[Slime]

Just discovered a bit of a Brexie Bonus.
Seemingly my house price has jumped in value.
Lots of demand from south of the border driving the market according to the agent.

Yeah, right.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Another wee Brexie Bonus dropped through the letter box this morning.
Because of my age I am now considered a priority customer by my electricity supplier.
Handy when all those anticipated post Brexit power black outs occur.

So house prices have finally broken through the £100 barrier 😂

As you well know Scottish house prices in my area are well below where you live.
You could probably buy a farm/castle where I live for the price of your average 2 bed flat in London.
That's the equality of our 'precious union'.

 

[Blue in Munich]

As you well know Scottish house prices in my area are well below where you live.
You could probably buy a farm/castle where I live for the price of your average 2 bed flat in London.
That's the equality of our 'precious union'.

Which means that those in your part of the world on the average wage will be paying far less of that wage as a percentage on their mortgage, or getting more property for the same percentage of average wage, than those down south, leaving more disposable income and thus the potential for a better quality of life. Yet such is your hatred of all things English that you overlook that to focus on the price of an asset which in real terms has only one value; putting a roof over your head. This has to be a new low, even by your standards.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Which means that those in your part of the world on the average wage will be paying far less of that wage as a percentage on their mortgage, or getting more property for the same percentage of average wage, than those down south, leaving more disposable income and thus the potential for a better quality of life. Yet such is your hatred of all things English that you overlook that to focus on the price of an asset which in real terms has only one value; putting a roof over your head. This has to be a new low, even by your standards.

Oh for goodness sake stop being so precious and wind your neck in, it is the inequality within the Union I dislike not the English.
BTW your post was a pretty weird interpretation of that inequality

 

[Hobbit]

Foreign investment in the UK, as reported by the BBC this week. The Beeb said that the whispers coming out of Singapore were that foreign investment from there will probably go to Germany and France. That was in a leaked letter from the retiring British High Commissioner.

What the Beeb didn't report was that there has been over £945 million of foreign investment so far this year, and that the combined foreign investment into Germany and France doesn't come close to what the UK has received, including from companies within the EU.

I can just imagine all those who are about to leap all over their keyboard and say "but we haven't left yet" My answer to that would be do you think foreign companies would make risky investment decisions? Really?

 

[ColchesterFC]

What the Beeb didn't report was that there has been over £945 million of foreign investment so far this year, and that the combined foreign investment into Germany and France doesn't come close to what the UK has received, including from companies within the EU.

I'm sure that any time you mention something that is positive or could be described as good news you have to prefix it with the words "Despite Brexit...".

 

[pendodave]

When I think of foreign 'investment' I think of Kraft investing in Cadbury, Australian investment banks buying up utilities and paying no tax while ramping up prices. I think of residential property being purchased and the market overheating. I think of money laundering.

Not saying it's all bad, but let's not think it's a good/bad binary. How many new companies and jobs has all that cash yielded?

 

[Old Skier]

What is all this no deal nonsense, have all the previous agreements been kicked into touch while I have been touring the Greek Islands, (you think we dislike the EU).

PS and the latest "No Deal" with Germany was on security sharing matters.

 

[Dando]

What is all this no deal nonsense, have all the previous agreements been kicked into touch while I have been touring the Greek Islands, (you think we dislike the EU).

PS and the latest "No Deal" with Germany was on security sharing matters.

No there’s only the original dogs dinner deal on the table as the EU won’t renegotiate