Probably the Mep's entertainment and expenses committee, It has the largest budget. He should be good for that as the Snp have a lot of experience spending other people's money.
I thought most voted against indi 🤔Correct...….. but probably was because it is not ready yet as well.
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No only about 65% agree with me, and as you will know the Highlands is very pro Europe.
Have you not seen the Yellow map......a couple of wee smudges of orange for Orkney and Shetland but no trace of blue or red elsewhere.
They were also advised by the UK government that the only way they could remain in the EU was to vote against Scottish independence.
Prove that statement
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Groan!!! Hes back 😫On Saturday I returned from more than four months travelling with Mrs Hogan in very distant parts. Over that period I have largely remained detached from this forum and what's going on in the UK - other than Brexit from which I have been semi-detached as it is impossible to avoid - with all and sundry in NZ and Oz asking us what the heck's going on? Anyway - now we are back I have done a quick skim read of the last few weeks of post on this topic and have come to a couple of conclusions.
1) The Brexit No Deal option seems to have morphed from the essential part of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiating strategy that would force the EU (through pressure from German Car manufacturers, French Cheese and Wine producers etc) to give the UK a great deal (see various statement by Dave Davies etc) into something that 17.4m voters actually positively chose when they voted to Leave. I have read such comment and just today heard one more such voter vociferously and passionately state that what was said by anyone prior to the vote in respect of a Deal was actually irrelevant, as the vote was Remain or Leave - no mention of any deal on the voting paper - and so by definition 17.4m voters voted to leave without a deal. What has been going on since the vote has simply been a Remainer ploy to try and agree something that 17.4m voters did not vote for - viz - a deal; with any such deal simply being a fop to the Losers of the Remain Camp (though largely focussed on Tory remain voters) to try and keep them vaguely happy - though why Remainer couldn't just accept being losers goodness only knows.
And that argument does not seem to require any serious examination or check (through such as a confirmatory vote) as the vote has been taken - and the vote was to leave with no deal. I also read hear many confident statements in respect of there being a solution for Irish Border - always been one - like the negotiations to come up with a 'deal' - just another EU/Remain ploy to thwart the will of the people. No problems or issue - all will be well. Just wait and see.
And so in the face of such certainty maybe I just accept that they are all correct. I see little point in arguing to the contrary. Let the leave begin on 31st October - and let us leave with No Deal. I see a very significant positive from that outcome - because a leave with No Deal on 31st Oct is the same outcome as a leave with No Deal today - and as it would have been if we had left on 31st March or indeed the day after the vote. Nothing that has happened in the nearly three years since the vote will have had any effect. And that will be good - because whatever subsequently happens to the UK economy will be directly attributable to the UK leaving without a deal; the leading proponents of Leave will be able to accept all the plaudits for their wisdom and foresight, and all those who voted to Leave congratulated on their having faith in that leadership and the capacity of the UK and the UK people to become GREAT Britain once more.
2) For the time being I will remain detached - or at least semi-detached - from commenting on Johnson, May, Farage and Brexit. Why? Because in my quick look through the last month or so of replies to posts on political matters I read too many responses and retorts that are cynical, dismissive, sarcastic, condescending, arrogant, angry, personal and aggressive. I have had a lovely four months travelling - going to beautiful places; seeing marvellous things and meeting lovely people. Many of the people wonder what on earth the UK s doing to itself - they actually like and care for us and the UK as we are and they are completely baffled. But on the basis of much of the goings on in the country and reflected by the posts on this forum we are changing - and I am not going to get myself back embroiled in what has been going on on this forum over the last four months. It's sad but true. I'm out (until I'm not
On Saturday I returned from more than four months travelling with Mrs Hogan in very distant parts. Over that period I have largely remained detached from this forum and what's going on in the UK - other than Brexit from which I have been semi-detached as it is impossible to avoid - with all and sundry in NZ and Oz asking us what the heck's going on? Anyway - now we are back I have done a quick skim read of the last few weeks of post on this topic and have come to a couple of conclusions.
1) The Brexit No Deal option seems to have morphed from the essential part of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiating strategy that would force the EU (through pressure from German Car manufacturers, French Cheese and Wine producers etc) to give the UK a great deal (see various statement by Dave Davies etc) into something that 17.4m voters actually positively chose when they voted to Leave. I have read such comment and just today heard one more such voter vociferously and passionately state that what was said by anyone prior to the vote in respect of a Deal was actually irrelevant, as the vote was Remain or Leave - no mention of any deal on the voting paper - and so by definition 17.4m voters voted to leave without a deal. What has been going on since the vote has simply been a Remainer ploy to try and agree something that 17.4m voters did not vote for - viz - a deal; with any such deal simply being a fop to the Losers of the Remain Camp (though largely focussed on Tory remain voters) to try and keep them vaguely happy - though why Remainer couldn't just accept being losers goodness only knows.
And that argument does not seem to require any serious examination or check (through such as a confirmatory vote) as the vote has been taken - and the vote was to leave with no deal. I also read hear many confident statements in respect of there being a solution for Irish Border - always been one - like the negotiations to come up with a 'deal' - just another EU/Remain ploy to thwart the will of the people. No problems or issue - all will be well. Just wait and see.
And so in the face of such certainty maybe I just accept that they are all correct. I see little point in arguing to the contrary. Let the leave begin on 31st October - and let us leave with No Deal. I see a very significant positive from that outcome - because a leave with No Deal on 31st Oct is the same outcome as a leave with No Deal today - and as it would have been if we had left on 31st March or indeed the day after the vote. Nothing that has happened in the nearly three years since the vote will have had any effect. And that will be good - because whatever subsequently happens to the UK economy will be directly attributable to the UK leaving without a deal; the leading proponents of Leave will be able to accept all the plaudits for their wisdom and foresight, and all those who voted to Leave congratulated on their having faith in that leadership and the capacity of the UK and the UK people to become GREAT Britain once more.
2) For the time being I will remain detached - or at least semi-detached - from commenting on Johnson, May, Farage and Brexit. Why? Because in my quick look through the last month or so of replies to posts on political matters I read too many responses and retorts that are cynical, dismissive, sarcastic, condescending, arrogant, angry, personal and aggressive. I have had a lovely four months travelling - going to beautiful places; seeing marvellous things and meeting lovely people. Many of the people wonder what on earth the UK s doing to itself - they actually like and care for us and the UK as we are and they are completely baffled. But on the basis of much of the goings on in the country and reflected by the posts on this forum we are changing - and I am not going to get myself back embroiled in what has been going on on this forum over the last four months. It's sad but true. I'm out (until I'm not
Well I haven’t missed your boring repetitive drivel!
Apparently the mood in New Zealand has improved massively since Saturday
I guess none of your posts have been dismissive or condescending have they!
QED
adversus solem ne loquitorQED
On Saturday I returned from more than four months travelling with Mrs Hogan in very distant parts. Over that period I have largely remained detached from this forum and what's going on in the UK - other than Brexit from which I have been semi-detached as it is impossible to avoid - with all and sundry in NZ and Oz asking us what the heck's going on? Anyway - now we are back I have done a quick skim read of the last few weeks of post on this topic and have come to a couple of conclusions.
1) The Brexit No Deal option seems to have morphed from the essential part of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiating strategy that would force the EU (through pressure from German Car manufacturers, French Cheese and Wine producers etc) to give the UK a great deal (see various statement by Dave Davies etc) into something that 17.4m voters actually positively chose when they voted to Leave. I have read such comment and just today heard one more such voter vociferously and passionately state that what was said by anyone prior to the vote in respect of a Deal was actually irrelevant, as the vote was Remain or Leave - no mention of any deal on the voting paper - and so by definition 17.4m voters voted to leave without a deal. What has been going on since the vote has simply been a Remainer ploy to try and agree something that 17.4m voters did not vote for - viz - a deal; with any such deal simply being a fop to the Losers of the Remain Camp (though largely focussed on Tory remain voters) to try and keep them vaguely happy - though why Remainer couldn't just accept being losers goodness only knows.
And that argument does not seem to require any serious examination or check (through such as a confirmatory vote) as the vote has been taken - and the vote was to leave with no deal. I also read hear many confident statements in respect of there being a solution for Irish Border - always been one - like the negotiations to come up with a 'deal' - just another EU/Remain ploy to thwart the will of the people. No problems or issue - all will be well. Just wait and see.
And so in the face of such certainty maybe I just accept that they are all correct. I see little point in arguing to the contrary. Let the leave begin on 31st October - and let us leave with No Deal. I see a very significant positive from that outcome - because a leave with No Deal on 31st Oct is the same outcome as a leave with No Deal today - and as it would have been if we had left on 31st March or indeed the day after the vote. Nothing that has happened in the nearly three years since the vote will have had any effect. And that will be good - because whatever subsequently happens to the UK economy will be directly attributable to the UK leaving without a deal; the leading proponents of Leave will be able to accept all the plaudits for their wisdom and foresight, and all those who voted to Leave congratulated on their having faith in that leadership and the capacity of the UK and the UK people to become GREAT Britain once more.
2) For the time being I will remain detached - or at least semi-detached - from commenting on Johnson, May, Farage and Brexit. Why? Because in my quick look through the last month or so of replies to posts on political matters I read too many responses and retorts that are cynical, dismissive, sarcastic, condescending, arrogant, angry, personal and aggressive. I have had a lovely four months travelling - going to beautiful places; seeing marvellous things and meeting lovely people. Many of the people wonder what on earth the UK s doing to itself - they actually like and care for us and the UK as we are and they are completely baffled. But on the basis of much of the goings on in the country and reflected by the posts on this forum we are changing - and I am not going to get myself back embroiled in what has been going on on this forum over the last four months. It's sad but true. I'm out (until I'm not
