Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Leftie]

Showing your age there Bob. There are people on this forum who wont know who she is, never seen her in a pair of wellies

"Rear of the Year" 1981 - so I'm told ......

 

[Hacker Khan]

Showing your age there Bob. There are people on this forum who wont know who she is, never seen her in a pair of wellies

She's a wonderful woman and I want to protect her....

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Whether it was The Bus or Osborne's claim of the immediate effect of a Leave vote the lies and overall standard of the two campaigns was disgraceful.

Both sides were obsessed with the negatives.

I believe that’s far more prevelant in society than we recognise, probably spills over into jealousy at times, even some of the more upbeat threads people start on here are dragged down by negativity rather than saying nothing or recognising we all see things differently.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I believe that’s far more prevelant in society than we recognise, probably spills over into jealousy at times, even some of the more upbeat threads people start on here are dragged down by negativity rather than saying nothing or recognising we all see things differently.

 

[Foxholer]

I believe that’s far more prevelant in society than we recognise, probably spills over into jealousy at times, even some of the more upbeat threads people start on here are dragged down by negativity rather than saying nothing or recognising we all see things differently.

I'm afraid, from my experience, that's particularly true (or at least a 'strong trait') of much of UK society! Even your suggestion, positively meant, also has such connotations/implications. There's no reason for to 'say nothing' if your view is different - as, as you correctly state, all should recognise that we can see things differently. Though while that applies to opinion, it doesn't apply to FACTs - supposedly irrefutable - imo!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm afraid, from my experience, that's particularly true (or at least a 'strong trait') of much of UK society! Even your suggestion, positively meant, also has such connotations/implications. There's no reason for to 'say nothing' if your view is different - as, as you correctly state, all should recognise that we can see things differently. Though while that applies to opinion, it doesn't apply to FACTs - supposedly irrefutable - imo!

But how many times year after year do people have to keep repeating their negative opinion, we know how they feel, we know it won’t change, so why bother?
I’m not saying people aren’t entitled to that opinion, just know when to let others hear it and when to let go.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

"Rear of the Year" 1981 - so I'm told ......

I used to work for the PR firm that organised that. There is no kind of voting - it's who you can get in the current limelight to turn up for £500 worth of free jeans and the publicity. The year I arranged it, we had Anita Dobson from EastEnders.

 

[Old Skier]

I used to work for the PR firm that organised that. There is no kind of voting - it's who you can get in the current limelight to turn up for £500 worth of free jeans and the publicity. The year I arranged it, we had Anita Dobson from EastEnders.

Should have been mouth from the south for her.

 

[SocketRocket]

But how many times year after year do people have to keep repeating their negative opinion, we know how they feel, we know it won’t change, so why bother?
I’m not saying people aren’t entitled to that opinion, just know when to let others hear it and when to let go.

Are you not perpetuating that which you decry in your post. Is an opinion 'negative' in your opinion due to it not conforming with your own viewpoint. Why shouldnt people repeat their opinion if they still believe it to be true and conflicting opinions false.

We know how you feel, we know it won't change, so why bother.

Just saying 🤔

 

[SocketRocket]

Why? What will they do if there isn't Brexit?

Scream and scream until we are sick.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Are you not perpetuating that which you decry in your post. Is an opinion 'negative' in your opinion due to it not conforming with your own viewpoint. Why shouldnt people repeat their opinion if they still believe it to be true and conflicting opinions false.

We know how you feel, we know it won't change, so why bother.

Just saying 🤔

You know what I mean, those who turn up like a cloud on a sunny day, regardless of subject!

 

[Old Skier]

Good point. Law breaking is rife within U.K. politics 😳
Maybe it's time to accept that our current version of democracy is a far cry from our much vaunted perception of it!
Not sure why people are defending such a corrupt process anymore 😳😂

Hearing today's news, it appears law breaking amongst politicians is not just a UK issue.

 

[Mudball]

oh dear... Tusk says Extension could be for a year..
... Leavers will say its too long
....Remainers will say its too short.

...cant please anyone these days..

 

[Old Skier]

Let's see the French put their money where their mouth is. Oh forgot, they are now a net receiver so will do as they are told.

 

[robinthehood]

Let's see the French put their money where their mouth is. Oh forgot, they are now a net receiver so will do as they are told.

Are you sure you didn't make that up.

 

[bluewolf]

Hearing today's news, it appears law breaking amongst politicians is not just a UK issue.

Very true.. It would appear that those decrying the "death of democracy" are about a hundred years too late!

Just goes to prove that the ever popular claim that "Remoaners" are ignoring democracy is a ridiculous notion. It could easily be said the "Leavers" are in favour of a corrupt institution! I'm absolutely sure that if Remain had won, and the Remain camp had been found guilty of breaking electoral law there'd be just as big a commotion. Both sides are as bad as each other..

Anyway, on a good note, this thread won me £40 last night. Was at the local Pub quiz and we had a 5 way tie for first.. The tie breaker was "How many people voted for remain in the referendum.. Obviously, I knew the answer due to it being mentioned 16.1 million times on this thread... So, BIG THANKS ALL....

 

[Crazyface]

March through Macclesfield perhaps?

Mind you, even as a Remain voter, I would consider it a bad thing for democracy in this country if we did not now leave.

The Referendum may not have been a good idea and the campaigning on both sides was disgraceful. Probably should have required 60:40 majority to be acted upon.

Nevertheless, the conditions were known to us all, including politicians, beforehand and, therefore, I feel that those same politicians now have a duty to ensure that the result is carried out.

I simply cannot see how we can have a further Referendum when the original result remains outstanding.

Better informed or not the result, either way, is likely to be equally as close as the original so why would it be any more acceptable to the "losing" side?

Wasn't Macc, t'was up in t'hills and a cockerny fella to boot !

 

[Crazyface]

People will do nothing. We're a Nation that's full of wind and piss. Plenty of angry people will head to the pub and tell all their mates that's its criminal. Then they'll get drunk on cheap beer and stagger home bemoaning the world.
You might get the odd angry reaction, but people will just be grateful it's over. They're more bothered about the new season of Game of bloody Thrones. 😉

We're a nation that take a lot to get rilled up, but when we do.....

 

[Crazyface]

Let's see the French put their money where their mouth is. Oh forgot, they are now a net receiver so will do as they are told.

Really???? France!?????No wonder they are still in it!!!!

 

[MegaSteve]

Just goes to prove that the ever popular claim that "Remoaners" are ignoring democracy is a ridiculous notion. It could easily be said the "Leavers" are in favour of a corrupt institution! I'm absolutely sure that if Remain had won, and the Remain camp had been found guilty of breaking electoral law there'd be just as big a commotion. Both sides are as bad as each other..

As a leaver I was hoping to be kicking a wholly corrupt bureaucracy into touch... Sadly, I had overlooked an equally corrupt bureaucracy was likely to be working to deflect my wish...