Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Crazyface]

Anyone else think (hope) May is pinning everything on the EU telling her to "go away" and get ready for a no deal?

 

[Crazyface]

IF she thinks there will be a situation where we will not have "Brexit" she is very deluded. If only she had been in the Clubhouse where I was on Friday she'd have been in no doubt what to do with herself and her stupid ideas. (That's putting it very politely from what I, could not fail to, heard)

 

[bluewolf]

IF she thinks there will be a situation where we will not have "Brexit" she is very deluded. If only she had been in the Clubhouse where I was on Friday she'd have been in no doubt what to do with herself and her stupid ideas. (That's putting it very politely from what I, could not fail to, heard)

Why? What will they do if there isn't Brexit?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Why? What will they do if there isn't Brexit?

March through Macclesfield perhaps?

Mind you, even as a Remain voter, I would consider it a bad thing for democracy in this country if we did not now leave.

The Referendum may not have been a good idea and the campaigning on both sides was disgraceful. Probably should have required 60:40 majority to be acted upon.

Nevertheless, the conditions were known to us all, including politicians, beforehand and, therefore, I feel that those same politicians now have a duty to ensure that the result is carried out.

I simply cannot see how we can have a further Referendum when the original result remains outstanding.

Better informed or not the result, either way, is likely to be equally as close as the original so why would it be any more acceptable to the "losing" side?

 

[Beezerk]

Why? What will they do if there isn't Brexit?

I don’t think it’s the geezers in the clubhouse we should be worried about. The silent majority who don’t have a voice would be my worry. Remember how quickly those riots around the country arose a few years ago, I fear something far worse if Brexit were not to be executed.

 

[bluewolf]

I don’t think it’s the geezers in the clubhouse we should be worried about. The silent majority who don’t have a voice would be my worry. Remember how quickly those riots around the country arose a few years ago, I fear something far worse if Brexit were not to be executed.

People will do nothing. We're a Nation that's full of wind and piss. Plenty of angry people will head to the pub and tell all their mates that's its criminal. Then they'll get drunk on cheap beer and stagger home bemoaning the world.
You might get the odd angry reaction, but people will just be grateful it's over. They're more bothered about the new season of Game of bloody Thrones. 😉

 

[bluewolf]

March through Macclesfield perhaps?

Mind you, even as a Remain voter, I would consider it a bad thing for democracy in this country if we did not now leave.

The Referendum may not have been a good idea and the campaigning on both sides was disgraceful. Probably should have required 60:40 majority to be acted upon.

Nevertheless, the conditions were known to us all, including politicians, beforehand and, therefore, I feel that those same politicians now have a duty to ensure that the result is carried out.

I simply cannot see how we can have a further Referendum when the original result remains outstanding.

Better informed or not the result, either way, is likely to be equally as close as the original so why would it be any more acceptable to the "losing" side?

I have mixed views on the whole "Democracy" argument. I have a real issue with the level of law breaking involved in the referendum. I'd have an issue if my vote had won as well though. I'd probably be a bit quieter about it though 😉

 

[Beezerk]

People will do nothing. We're a Nation that's full of wind and piss. Plenty of angry people will head to the pub and tell all their mates that's its criminal. Then they'll get drunk on cheap beer and stagger home bemoaning the world.
You might get the odd angry reaction, but people will just be grateful it's over. They're more bothered about the new season of Game of bloody Thrones. 😉

😆

I wish I had your optimism.

 

[jp5]

Better informed or not the result, either way, is likely to be equally as close as the original so why would it be any more acceptable to the "losing" side?

I suppose as the choice in the public vote would be between two clearly defined routes, which wasn't the case in the 2016 referendum.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I have mixed views on the whole "Democracy" argument. I have a real issue with the level of law breaking involved in the referendum. I'd have an issue if my vote had won as well though. I'd probably be a bit quieter about it though 😉

Whether it was The Bus or Osborne's claim of the immediate effect of a Leave vote the lies and overall standard of the two campaigns was disgraceful.

Both sides were obsessed with the negatives.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I suppose as the choice in the public vote would be between two clearly defined routes, which wasn't the case in the 2016 referendum.

But it was.

According to the P.M. of the day it was " a straight in or out vote".

 

[bobmac]

Felicity?

Mmmmmmm

 

[bluewolf]

Whether it was The Bus or Osborne's claim of the immediate effect of a Leave vote the lies and overall standard of the two campaigns was disgraceful.

Both sides were obsessed with the negatives.

Agreed. It was a disgraceful campaign. However, the law breaking is enough to convince me that if that's what we are holding up as an example of Democracy then we're in real trouble.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Agreed. It was a disgraceful campaign. However, the law breaking is enough to convince me that if that's what we are holding up as an example of Democracy then we're in real trouble.

Cannot recall a GE for instance where there hasn't subsequently been shown to have been breaches of electoral law.

Disturbing but not certain that we should then decide that it is OK to not enact results.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Mmmmmmm

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Showing your age there Bob. There are people on this forum who wont know who she is, never seen her in a pair of wellies

 

[robinthehood]

Anyone else think (hope) May is pinning everything on the EU telling her to "go away" and get ready for a no deal?

No

 

[bluewolf]

Cannot recall a GE for instance where there hasn't subsequently been shown to have been breaches of electoral law.

Disturbing but not certain that we should then decide that it is OK to not enact results.

Good point. Law breaking is rife within U.K. politics 😳
Maybe it's time to accept that our current version of democracy is a far cry from our much vaunted perception of it!
Not sure why people are defending such a corrupt process anymore 😳😂

 

[jp5]

But it was.

According to the P.M. of the day it was " a straight in or out vote".

There was one clearly defined outcome, and one yet to be defined outcome.

As for that PM, he also said he wouldn't resign as PM or MP, neither promise lasted long. Wouldn't unfortunately put too much trust in his words.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Showing your age there Bob. There are people on this forum who wont know who she is, never seen her in a pair of wellies

She is now 72 but still very bendy [I'm told]

I see another leave voting 'Felicity' is moaning on the radio because her UK/EU shipping/delivery company has gone pear shaped.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Good point. Law breaking is rife within U.K. politics 😳
Maybe it's time to accept that our current version of democracy is a far cry from our much vaunted perception of it!
Not sure why people are defending such a corrupt process anymore 😳😂

Absolutely agree that reform is way overdue.

For the time being, however, it is all that we have got and, therefore, the results generated have to be honoured.