drdel
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I'd suggest a look at a German view...Alice Widely, co-leader of AfD speaking to the Bunderstag last month..
It's on youtube
It's on youtube
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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SocketRocket
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Poor dears. My heart bleeds for them, maybe they can get over it and look for a proper job.
That includes Laura who is an expert at stating the bleeding obvious at a very good wage rate.
bluewolf
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That video has been linked to a few times now. However, it'd be more accurate if you said it was the view of the German Far Right. And if that's the type of view that supports your argument, then fire away. ðŸ‘
Hacker Khan
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It is a bit weird/strange/bloody frightening the response to this. In normal times when a politician like Rees-Mogg would link to a German far Right group who according to Wikipedia 'Since about 2015, the AfD has been increasingly open to working with far-right extremist groups such as Pegida.[22] Parts of the AfD have racist,[23] Islamophobic,[24] anti-Semitic[25][26] and xenophobic[13][27][28] tendencies linked to far-right movements such as neo-Nazism[29][26] and identitarianism.[30][31] ' to forward their argument, you'd expect the response to be 'look mate, I think you've probably lost that argument'. But it seems we are not in normal times and some people can't get enough of it.
One may suggest it's about time we had a good look at what we are descending into, if nothing else for the sake of our children/grand children. But I doubt we will. Strong and stable...
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drdel
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I said it's worth A look. Just a suggestion to move on from stuff about cars etc!
bluewolf
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Hitler loved Daimlers. And we're back onto cars.
Hacker Khan
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This thread from Peston is a spicy take.
He might well be right.
Personally, I'm not sure May will reach an agreement with Corbyn. I've an inkling it might be a second referendum with the choice going to the public, May's deal or revoke Article 50. At least that way the Tory party won't carry the can for revoking Article 50.
SocketRocket
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It should be May's deal or no Deal.
Hacker Khan
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Another spicy take, I thought MPs were not that keen on that option in the indicative votes, although I have lost track of what they have voted for and how many times they've voted.
I can just see it now degenerating into a desperate battle for which party can come out of this with the least loss of face, with each party pandering to their ever shrinking fan bases. 'He did it, no he did it, she said, he said, if it wasn't for them we would have got this through etc etc'. And in the mean time the public just lose the will to live.
jp5
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Public vote on final deal was one of the more popular options.
Even supported by the likes of Rees-Mogg, Davis et al. once upon a time.
Even supported by the likes of Rees-Mogg, Davis et al. once upon a time.
Beezerk
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But it has to be a public vote with no option to remain aka revoke article 50. Imo of course.
robinthehood
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Why , surley as we are constantly told brexit is the will of the people, a50 revoke won't win anyway. So nothing to worry about....
SocketRocket
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The way forward is quite logical and straight forward.
We had a referendum that decided we will leave the EU.
We triggered article 50.
We have negotiated a withdraw agreement with the EU for two years.
Parliament cannot make a decision on the way forward.
Hold another referendum with the choice to either accept the negotiated agreement or make a clean Brexit.
Its the only true democratic way to finalise the current impasse.
jp5
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Now we've done it this way round revoke has to of course be an option.
I'd have preferred we had the referendum on which alternative first, then put that vs. our current deal. But we find ourselves where we are.
Foxholer
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'Its the only true democratic way to finalise the current impasse'
that reflects the result of the 2016 Referendum!
However, many in Parliament (and elsewhere) have been trying to reverse that result!
'Its the only true democratic way to finalise the current impasse'
that reflects the result of the 2016 Referendum!
However, many in Parliament (and elsewhere) have been trying to reverse that result!
Beezerk
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That’s ridiculous, so essentially for Brexit to happen it has to win three public referendums? I’d call that a rigged vote in any other country with a dodgy dictator as leader and so would the media.
Foxholer
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jp5
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What's the third referendum?
We're only in this situation due to how badly it has been handled. When the actual alternative vs. remain is defined is when we should have had the vote. No wonder when people see what the alternative is, there may no longer be a majority to leave.
An interesting watch --
Beezerk
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Apologies I misread your other post, saying that though even another referendum is insane imo, imagine the split and damage it would cause to this country. The thing I’m seeing is remainers are finding lots of “what if†and “should have†arguments to try and force another referendum, in reality what’s done is done and the victors shouldn’t have to become the losers because the (anti brexit) Uk parliament are a bunch of self obsessed idiots.
Like I said pages and pages ago, it’s completely irrelevant how I voted and what my feelings are on brexit, if parliament do not carry through with this and cop out, it would be an absolute disgrace of the highest order.
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