Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

Been to the USA numerous times and never had food poisoning. Had one long weekend in Europe since we've been going stateside and had to get an ambulance & a doctor for Mrs BiM for food poisoning. Damn those low American standards.

Top trolling Doom, as per usual.

Got salmonella in Portugal. Never had a problem in the States................................................. probably because I've never been.

 

[harpo_72]

Got salmonella in Portugal. Never had a problem in the States................................................. probably because I've never been.

Usually had steaks at the gp weekend ... nothing came out for a week. Game was “first to burst” .

 

[SocketRocket]

My Son, his Wife and my three Grandsons live in the USA. They're still with us.

 

[SocketRocket]

Scary stuff, dropping decent EU standards to accept dodgy cheap USA standards. Beef as well as chicken remember.
I think the ERG/UKIP lot call it taking back control.

They don't fry mars bars.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

May now bribing English Labour MP's to support her lost cause.
Saying, ' for too long prosperity in the UK has been unfairly distributed '.
Well I wonder what political party was to blame for that.

Brexit seems to have turned the clock back to the dark ages when bribing MP's for votes was commonplace.

 

[drdel]

Over the last 3 years European investment IN the UK has doubled !

And, its worth noting Germany, Italy and Spain's peformance has dropped below the neutral benchmark while UK is still positive!

 

[Hobbit]

Just some facts around chlorine decontamination.

First of all, the EU's own scientific division has said that chlorine washing isn't harmful to humans. Secondly, The EU standard is to wash chickens in water.

Why has the EU said no to chlorine washed chickens? Because of the total lack of standards in how the chicken is housed during its lifetime.

The EU relies on the chickens being housed better, and inoculations, to stop cross infection. The US uses chlorine to kill the bacteria.

As an aside, as a Service Manager to a company that had one of the UK's largest frozen food processors as a customer it was eye opening to see huge tubs of chicken carcasses in tubs outside the processing plant with Starlings feeding on them... but at least the water used to wash them will have 'killed' the bacteria and the ammonia used to freeze them would have finished the job

Strangely, the US has very strict regs around the use of ammonia...

 

[Hacker Khan]

Over the last 3 years European investment IN the UK has doubled !

And, its worth noting Germany, Italy and Spain's peformance has dropped below the neutral benchmark while UK is still positive!

Must admit I'm a little confused about your point here. You saying that when we've been in the EU we have had lots of investment from Europe? And is that supposed to be a good or bad thing? And is that likely to stop when we are out? And whilst we have been in the EU our performance is still positive? Yet we want to leave all that behind? Very confused.

 

[drdel]

Must admit I'm a little confused about your point here. You saying that when we've been in the EU we have had lots of investment from Europe? And is that supposed to be a good or bad thing? And is that likely to stop when we are out? And whilst we have been in the EU our performance is still positive? Yet we want to leave all that behind? Very confused.

Its not confusing, as with anything: IMO "follow the money" is a pretty good track to adopt. European investors are clearly expecting to make a reliable return in the FUTURE ! Their investments have been made at a time when we have been constantly told the UK outside the EU will be a disaster and risky - they obviously don't share the uncertainty.

If you want a read "https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/1e8eadb61abe40b4b97c3c5655216df9"

 

[Hacker Khan]

Just some facts around chlorine decontamination.

First of all, the EU's own scientific division has said that chlorine washing isn't harmful to humans. Secondly, The EU standard is to wash chickens in water.

Why has the EU said no to chlorine washed chickens? Because of the total lack of standards in how the chicken is housed during its lifetime.

The EU relies on the chickens being housed better, and inoculations, to stop cross infection. The US uses chlorine to kill the bacteria.

As an aside, as a Service Manager to a company that had one of the UK's largest frozen food processors as a customer it was eye opening to see huge tubs of chicken carcasses in tubs outside the processing plant with Starlings feeding on them... but at least the water used to wash them will have 'killed' the bacteria and the ammonia used to freeze them would have finished the job

Strangely, the US has very strict regs around the use of ammonia...

So in essence the EU regulations seem to try and give the animals some kind of level of welfare whilst they are alive which I assume will cost a bit more? Where as the US doesn't and then hoses them down with chlorine to achieve what I assume is the same end product in terms of chicken on the plate, but it may be a bit cheaper?

I'm not 100% sure the debate is around if chlorinated chicken will kill people, it obviously will not as as can be seen if you go to the US, the like their fried chicken. Well it won't poison them but from the size of a lot of them, they may well die from obesity after having access to lots of cheap fried chicken, but that's another matter. Still for me it is down to what measures we are willing to take to get the cheapest food on our plate. Chlorinated chicken, GM crops, again I am sure no one will be poisoned by eating them and it may bring the price down, but yet again we go back to the price of everything and the value of nothing. Me, I'm happy to pay a bit more for the knowledge that some animal welfare standards have been adhered to, but appreciate other opinions are available.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Its not confusing, as with anything: IMO "follow the money" is a pretty good track to adopt. European investors are clearly expecting to make a reliable return in the FUTURE ! Their investments have been made at a time when we have been constantly told the UK outside the EU will be a disaster and risky - they obviously don't share the uncertainty.

If you want a read "https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/1e8eadb61abe40b4b97c3c5655216df9"

So the fact that the pound has weakened meaning overseas investors can buy more property and more of our companies is a good thing for a newly independent Britain? We will own less and less of our infrastructure and be more and more reliant on overseas ownership and that is taking back control? What do we do when we have nothing left to sell off to foreign investors? Nope, still confused as how this will help us thrive in the future other than being the place to go for foreign investors wanting to buy some stuff up relatively cheap.

 

[SocketRocket]

So the fact that the pound has weakened meaning overseas investors can buy more property and more of our companies is a good thing for a newly independent Britain? We will own less and less of our infrastructure and be more and more reliant on overseas ownership and that is taking back control? What do we do when we have nothing left to sell off to foreign investors? Nope, still confused as how this will help us thrive in the future other than being the place to go for foreign investors wanting to buy some stuff up relatively cheap.

Why do you only post negatives about the UK, do you dislike our country or is it liberal/trendy to do so? I can understand you having some Brexit concerns but please get a sense of balance.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Why do you only post negatives about the UK, do you dislike our country or is it liberal/trendy to do so? I can understand you having some Brexit concerns but please get a sense of balance.

Brexit Briton eh, don't dare suggest that selling off all our assets to the highest bidder is maybe not the best way to take back control as it means you are lefty liberal who hates your country.... Happy to hear any reasoned arguments why it is a good thing to our long term prospects.

 

[MegaSteve]

Didn't realise that leaving would include losing the choice of what I eat... Fairly certain no one will be force fed anything they've no desire to consume...

 

[Sweep]

Why do you only post negatives about the UK, do you dislike our country or is it liberal/trendy to do so? I can understand you having some Brexit concerns but please get a sense of balance.

“England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman.”

George Orwell, 1941.

 

[Sweep]

So the fact that the pound has weakened meaning overseas investors can buy more property and more of our companies is a good thing for a newly independent Britain? We will own less and less of our infrastructure and be more and more reliant on overseas ownership and that is taking back control? What do we do when we have nothing left to sell off to foreign investors? Nope, still confused as how this will help us thrive in the future other than being the place to go for foreign investors wanting to buy some stuff up relatively cheap.

When you say the Pound has weakened, can you say against what and when?

 

[SocketRocket]

Brexit Briton eh, don't dare suggest that selling off all our assets to the highest bidder is maybe not the best way to take back control as it means you are lefty liberal who hates your country.... Happy to hear any reasoned arguments why it is a good thing to our long term prospects.

So the reason the pound has been devalued is to allow ALL our assets to be disposed of in an auction and that's why you decry anything British and praise anything EU. Well thanks for clearing that one up. 🙄

 

[drdel]

So the fact that the pound has weakened meaning overseas investors can buy more property and more of our companies is a good thing for a newly independent Britain? We will own less and less of our infrastructure and be more and more reliant on overseas ownership and that is taking back control? What do we do when we have nothing left to sell off to foreign investors? Nope, still confused as how this will help us thrive in the future other than being the place to go for foreign investors wanting to buy some stuff up relatively cheap.

The 'investors' are Betting on getting a better ROI than elsewhere and, instrinsicly expect the capital value to rise. They could have backed any where else e.g. Germany, France and USA but chose the UK : these are not emotional decisions, unlike most of the thread's posts.

Some will be currency speculators, but not all.

 

[User62651]

When you say the Pound has weakened, can you say against what and when?

Don't think you said what timeframe but since this is a Brexit thread - graph shows last 3 year picture - £ bombed against dollar and euro because of referendum result june 2016, was already falling steadily in the lead up to the referendum. Hasn't really moved since June 16 and well down on April 2015. Appears to have rallied a little of late.

Is that not overall weakening?

Pros and cons of strong currency when you're trying to buy or sell from/to overseas but think most people would prefer their currency be a stronger one than a weaker one?




Also - Wondering if this article applies to some on here - up at 6am..... ready to argue!
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/poli...ns-it-or-if-its-just-a-wind-up-20190227182976

 

[drdel]

Don't think you said what timeframe but since this is a Brexit thread - graph shows last 3 year picture - £ bombed against dollar and euro because of referendum result june 2016, was already falling steadily in the lead up to the referendum. Hasn't really moved since June 16 and well down on April 2015. Appears to have rallied a little of late.

Is that not overall weakening?

Pros and cons of strong currency when you're trying to buy or sell from/to overseas but think most people would prefer their currency be a stronger one than a weaker one?

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Also - Wondering if this article applies to some on here - up at 6am..... ready to argue!
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/poli...ns-it-or-if-its-just-a-wind-up-20190227182976

China has kept their currency 'weak' on purpose!