Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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But Labour are possibly changing their position on a 2nd Referendum and people are condemning them(including me)
But, if you read their Manifesto, it was 'Labour accepts the referendum result... will put the national interest first.' A classic 'cleverly worded' load of waffle that doesn't actually commit to anything and allows them to deem that 'Our changed policy is in the national interest, as per our Manifesto'! They DO, however, specifically reject 'No Deal'!
 
No detail but they were committed to taking us out of the EU by the end of March so why would we believe any commitment they made in any future manifesto promise for another GE?
TM is possibly changing that date, not the Labour Party, unless of course you think they should agree to any deal so long as it’s by the 29th March.
 
...... Also on five live there was some kind of debate this morning where on one side you had some one going on about us saving millions thought not paying MEPs wages as a reason to leave and on the other side you had some vegan baker saying she hasn't booked a holiday in Europe as she was worried about her travel insurance not being valid or some sort of stupid scare story she'd swallowed. And you kind of despair if that is where we are.
M: I'm going on holiday to Europe
W: Where are you going?
M: Bogna Regis!
Courtesy of Morcambe and Wise eons ago 😁

Appreciate you were just the messenger here HK passing on the story. Always amuses me when people talk about "going to Europe", seemingly forgetting they are already there.

Anyway back to the serious stuff...
 
If you need an explanation as to why the negotiations have been handled so badly by the UK side, here it is.
Laura Kuenssberg of the BBC has been interviewing Nick Timothy, TM’s former Chief of Staff for a documentary. According to Ms Kuenssberg Timothy says TM sees Brexit as a damage limitation excercise.
So there you have it.
 
According to the BBC, Spain has approved measures for Britons living in Spain to remain there in the event of no deal.

“Spain's cabinet has approved measures for Britons in Spain to continue living there as now if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Foreign Minister Josep Borrell said the main purpose was that no-one, British or Spanish, would be left unprotected.

Spain estimates that the measures, which would become law under a no-deal Brexit, would grant residency rights to about 400,000 UK citizens.”
 
According to the BBC, Spain has approved measures for Britons living in Spain to remain there in the event of no deal.

“Spain's cabinet has approved measures for Britons in Spain to continue living there as now if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Foreign Minister Josep Borrell said the main purpose was that no-one, British or Spanish, would be left unprotected.

Spain estimates that the measures, which would become law under a no-deal Brexit, would grant residency rights to about 400,000 UK citizens.”

Only if the UK reciprocates. Also, this is a unilateral decision by Spain as the EU team has refused to do it as they see it as diluting the negotiations if lots of mini deals are done.
 
If you need an explanation as to why the negotiations have been handled so badly by the UK side, here it is.
Laura Kuenssberg of the BBC has been interviewing Nick Timothy, TM’s former Chief of Staff for a documentary. According to Ms Kuenssberg Timothy says TM sees Brexit as a damage limitation excercise.
So there you have it.

Is that his opinion or does he know that for sure?
 
According to the BBC, Spain has approved measures for Britons living in Spain to remain there in the event of no deal.

“Spain's cabinet has approved measures for Britons in Spain to continue living there as now if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Foreign Minister Josep Borrell said the main purpose was that no-one, British or Spanish, would be left unprotected.

Spain estimates that the measures, which would become law under a no-deal Brexit, would grant residency rights to about 400,000 UK citizens.”
Only if the UK reciprocates. Also, this is a unilateral decision by Spain as the EU team has refused to do it as they see it as diluting the negotiations if lots of mini deals are done.

I seem to remember Hobbit posting about that a couple of thou (or thereabouts) posts ago!

Nothing new there!
 
Only if the UK reciprocates. Also, this is a unilateral decision by Spain as the EU team has refused to do it as they see it as diluting the negotiations if lots of mini deals are done.
As I understand it, the UK gave these assurances a few weeks ago.
 
Except it was agreed by the Spanish Cabinet today (Friday), so something new there “!”

No it wasn't. It was agreed in the Spanish Cabinet in early January. I was in a meeting mid Jan, along with about 100 other Brits, in which there was an official from the British Consulate, the local Mayor and an official from the Spanish govt. It was announced at the meeting that the Spanish govt had agreed it and it only needed 2 things. 1) to be passed as a Royal Decree, and 2) for the UK govt to reciprocate.

The Royal Decree was passed this week, and we await the UK govt to reciprocate.
 
So are the Leavers ready for chlorine washed meat from our cousins on the other side of the pond.. hey it is ready to give us a quick trade deal..
 
The issue isn't with chlorine washed meat, it is with really poor conditions for raising live stock, combined with poor hygene, camouflaged by chlorine washing. Still don't want it over here though.
 
The issue isn't with chlorine washed meat, it is with really poor conditions for raising live stock, combined with poor hygene, camouflaged by chlorine washing. Still don't want it over here though.

I saw a good explanation today by someone who said the choice is between the US method of putting chlorine on chickens to get rid of the faeces or having stronger EU regulations that mostly prevent faeces getting there in the first place. Enjoy your KFC....
 
I saw a good explanation today by someone who said the choice is between the US method of putting chlorine on chickens to get rid of the faeces or having stronger EU regulations that mostly prevent faeces getting there in the first place. Enjoy your KFC....

Once we overthrow the EU yoke, we can put our stuff wherever we want to.. 😰
 
So are the Leavers ready for chlorine washed meat from our cousins on the other side of the pond.. hey it is ready to give us a quick trade deal..
That post highlights sad way people have started turning against each other and looking for ways to belittle those who voted differently in a referendum on membership of the European Union. I really feel sorry for the future of our nation if this is what we have become, the problem is not whether we stay or leave but the moral fibre that binds people to accept the will of democracy and bend their will to support its outcome.

Maybe you could reconsider that post and see that the future will never be perfect but just maybe with some positivity it could be OK.
 
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