Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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SocketRocket said:
"So you won't be calling for a second referendum"
Jeremy corbyn "No"

You appear so dyed in the wool Labour you wont accept any evidence against him. I'm a Tory but I am disgusted with May's handling of the Brexit negotiations.
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He has said he is “prepared” to back a 2nd Referendum to avoid a bad Brexit, what sort of leader would any opposition leader be (regardless of party) if they stood by and did nothing.

Me and Corbyn, don’t like the man, wish he wasn’t leader of the Labour Party, just fed up of time and time again people twisting words to suit their agenda.
 
That interview of Tony Blair by Alistair Campbell - that is associated with the above link - is fantastic!

Brexit is started at about 34min mark. The comments a few minutes earlier about Newspapers absolute coincide with mine - and what I've stated on this forum in the past.

My 'admiration' for Blair (minus a couple of serious blips!) has been quite significantly increased (though I still think of him as a politician, not a statesman!)! My detest of Campbell has been 'not-insignificantly' reduced!
 
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pauldj42 said:
So time and time again MP’s change their mind, lie, etc.
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Once again it’s easier to make Corbyn the bad guy than make the tories responsible for something THEY have had total control over since the beginning.
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That's politics!

Very often little to do with 'national interest' - whatever that might be!
 
Fade and Die said:
How does “fairness” equate to continually asking the same question until you get the answer you want?That is not democracy. That is fascism through exhaustion.
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I agree, but I’d question why we need to continually ask.:unsure:
 
Is it not strange that when a leftie changes direction there is uproar,calling them hypocritical and inconsistent blah blah ... A Tory does it and it’s considered to be a master stroke of genius.
It’s like 2 sets of football supporters and no one is appreciating the football, meaning perhaps a change is good, perhaps there are concessions that errors have been made.
I am not saying it will fix it but let’s just see if he is paying lip service to it or not. Like we are watching to see if TM is relaxing her demands to achieve a workable deal.

But let’s get this straight, it was a Tory who called the referendum, no other party. If it goes well he will claim the plaudits, if it goes poorly it has nothing to do with any non-Tory except may be the DUP !
 
robinthehood said:
A chance to put right this sorry mess. Sounds good to me
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Whether Brexit is achieved is not politicians business. Or decision. That is our business. HOW Brexit is achieved is their task. That is why they get paid. To enable the wishes of the electorate. And for the minority who did not want it? Tough ***... I didn’t want Blair. Or Brown. Or the seat belt law. Or a cap on the power of vacuum cleaner motors. I will no doubt also have to accept a sugar tax. Which I don’t want. But I was outvoted, and in a democracy, my job as part of the process is to accept it and shut the f**k up until it is time to go to the polls again.
 
I am begining to believe Brexit will not happen and the Government have been scheming this since the referendum result.

Over my lifetime I have voted for all the main parties at sometime, Blair's government had my vote a few times although Brown finished that episode. I doubt very much if I will vote for any of these parties again, between them they have destroyed my faith in parliament as it stands.

I live in hope that a new party will emerge that I can vote for but it would need to be completely different to the existing ones. Unfortunately there will be a great deal of people like me and British politics will never be the same. My concern is that some defectors will move to very extreme parties but who could blame them after the depths of deceit that has become evident with the current incumbents.
 
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pauldj42 said:
What has he announced? The support for a 2nd Referendum is only going to happen if TM doesn’t sort the mess out.
Tories called for the initial vote, Tories have been in power since, if it goes wrong, blame Corbyn.

Did you vote for a bad deal or no deal, because I’m sure it was only yes or no on the ballot paper.

All sides of the house defeated her deal, there isn’t enough support for a No Deal, let’s blame Corbyn.

Why aren’t those(including me) who voted leave blaming the tories?

They have let us down, can you put your hand on your heart and say if Labour was in Government it would be the tories we blamed?
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Not quite.
According to the Guardian, Labour are going to “back a second referendum”... “if the PM declines to adopt its Brexit stance.”
That’s not the same as “if TM doesn’t sort the mess out”.
A subtle but significant difference.
 
Sweep said:
Not quite.
According to the Guardian, Labour are going to “back a second referendum”... “if the PM declines to adopt its Brexit stance.”
That’s not the same as “if TM doesn’t sort the mess out”.
A subtle but significant difference.
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So responsibility still with the tories then.(y)
 
pauldj42 said:
So responsibility still with the tories then.(y)
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It was a Tory manifesto pledge that saw the biggest engagement in politics by the electorate. A third of the Labour supporters voted Leave, and almost a third of LibDem voters voted Leave. It could be argued that a Tory govt proposed a cross-party policy but its now being fought on party lines and party politics.

Are Labour really thinking of the UK as a whole or doing whatever they can to disrupt things? They've had nearly 3 years to be bloody awkward and have chosen the 11th hour to finally decide which way they are flip-flopping. Yes, the Tories haven't engaged in a cross-party exercise to get Brexit over the line till they failed to garner support in Dec.

Personally, it should have been Leave 2 years ago and then negotiate the trade deal. The EU were never going to give much politically, and why should they. Mixing the political negotiation with trade was never going to go well.
 
Hobbit said:
It was a Tory manifesto pledge that saw the biggest engagement in politics by the electorate. A third of the Labour supporters voted Leave, and almost a third of LibDem voters voted Leave. It could be argued that a Tory govt proposed a cross-party policy but its now being fought on party lines and party politics.

Are Labour really thinking of the UK as a whole or doing whatever they can to disrupt things? They've had nearly 3 years to be bloody awkward and have chosen the 11th hour to finally decide which way they are flip-flopping. Yes, the Tories haven't engaged in a cross-party exercise to get Brexit over the line till they failed to garner support in Dec.

Personally, it should have been Leave 2 years ago and then negotiate the trade deal. The EU were never going to give much politically, and why should they. Mixing the political negotiation with trade was never going to go well.
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Maybe people had faith that in 2 years any, any, government could sort this out.
I voted leave Bri, I’m as frustrated as this as the next man, but I keep going back to the point that the tories have a majority and don’t need Labour support, so instead of getting on with it they’ve dragged their feet and looked to blame everybody else, EU, Labour, The Speaker, SNP etc, etc.
If they wanted cross party support that should’ve of been done on day one.
Time TM took some responsibility on her own.
 
If ye wana blame some1 look back 2yrs to the start . See who told lies on both sides and hold them accountable

I hope the ppl both sides that voted on what they were promised step up and say yes i was lied to .

Both sides will spin the answers to suit whats happening now tho and politics continues .. same as always
 
bladeplayer said:
If ye wana blame some1 look back 2yrs to the start . See who told lies on both sides and hold them accountable

I hope the ppl both sides that voted on what they were promised step up and say yes i was lied to .

Both sides will spin the answers to suit whats happening now tho and politics continues .. same as always
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We had a vote after the lies and the decision was to leave, this last minute “chaos” should of been avoided by getting on with the job.
We have enough problems now without visiting what was said prior to the vote.
 
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