Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 16999]

No i dont think you were , where did i specifically link Corbyn with the flypast ? I just said i was off to watch it, sorry if you wanted it in a separate post .

I was not "flag waving " as you seem to infer but if you see it as that then crack on, perhaps in all this we would be better off if indeed we did flag wave a bit more instead of putting ourselves down at every opportunity .

Probably the bit after you called him a terrorist when you stated you were watching the flypast and remembering those who gave their lives so he (knob) could spout his crap.

I’ve never put this Country down, infact I’d argue you only seeing one side in everything does the Country no favours.

 

[Sweep]

Incompetence, arrogance, complete overestimation of their actual abilities, desperate need to appeal to the noisy voices of a few on the extremes of their party over getting a majority of MPs on board from all sides, starting the countdown clock when they had not got anywhere near a consensus on how they would execute it, take your pick.

And you are right, this is the lot that will lead us into a brave new world. Opposed by a complete shambles of an opposition.

Again, there are two sides to the negotiation. Both are at fault. Neither has been negotiating in good faith. Neither has put the people they govern first.
And to be fair, the two years period is an EU rule. If we haven’t been able to reach an agreement when the clock was ticking, just imagine the chances of reaching consensus if we hadn’t triggered A50.

 

[drdel]

As an outsider Do ye what i get from this thread the more often i read it ?? For the record Im not taking sides .i Dont care if ye stay or go tbh

Its clear from the debate that None of ye actually know whats going to happen . It appears nobody does .. good or bad how did ur government get u to a position where u are weeks from leaving and nobody knows the full consequences.

That itself is scarier than leaving or staying .

You think what you like, some of us are pretty clear about what the future options are.

It should be clear that the only priority for Ireland is driven simply by the need to keep the Euro grants and loans flooding in. Only problem is the EU has fundamental economic problems with the Ponzi debt strategy enabling them to provide unsustainable support for members that take out of the pot when the net funders are also in trouble.

The gravy train that has protected your country's weak finances is about to hit the buffers of reality.

 

[oxymoron]

Probably the bit after you called him a terrorist when you stated you were watching the flypast and remembering those who gave their lives so he (knob) could spout his crap.

I’ve never put this Country down, infact I’d argue you only seeing one side in everything does the Country no favours.

I actually said "representing terrorists " , called him a t**t though .

If you look back i also posted somewhere that this is too big a deal for one party and it should have been a cross party negotiation , i do not think i see only one side however i do tend to look positive and think we can progress as a nation if only the doom mongers would give it a chance , the glass may be half empty but we have a great chance to fill the glass !!

 

[Mudball]

Again, there are two sides to the negotiation. Both are at fault. Neither has been negotiating in good faith. Neither has put the people they govern first.
And to be fair, the two years period is an EU rule. If we haven’t been able to reach an agreement when the clock was ticking, just imagine the chances of reaching consensus if we hadn’t triggered A50.

Not picking on this post but the sentiment. Why do the leavers think the EU has not negotiated in good faith. The EU have maintained a straight bat on what they wanted all along. The incompetence of a weak govt that wants to pander to the extreme right along with a weak opposition that can get their heads out of their backsides mean that we havent been able to get our side sorted. We expected all the German auto manufacturers will force their government to get a good deal - this has not materialised instead we have the like of Porsche which have said prices will rise 10% because of Brexit and customers will have to pay for it.

Dont blame the EU for having a strong position.

If Scotland had voted for its independence and this was a Scotland v England debate, I am sure England would be taking a hard line (just as EU is doing). So lets stop blaming them for our failure

 

[MegaSteve]

Brussels only has interest/concern for its own fiefdom... It's really not bothered about the wider needs/concerns of the citizens...

 

[bladeplayer]

You think what you like, some of us are pretty clear about what the future options are.

It should be clear that the only priority for Ireland is driven simply by the need to keep the Euro grants and loans flooding in. Only problem is the EU has fundamental economic problems with the Ponzi debt strategy enabling them to provide unsustainable support for members that take out of the pot when the net funders are also in trouble.

The gravy train that has protected your country's weak finances is about to hit the buffers of reality.

How can u be sure of options when u dont know whats going to hapoen yet ?

Actualy Im glad u are clear . But surprised that the people entrusted to make the decisions are not
1st we hear . No deal better than bad deal

Then its no deal cant happen .

Im on record saying we are a yes country to europe because of grants etc im well aware of it .

2 years planning it weeks remaining and they cant get areeement in westminster let alone a workable plan to take back to EU ..

But at least a few on here are clear

 

[drdel]

Brussels only has interest/concern for its own fiefdom... It's really not bothered about the wider needs/concerns of the citizens...

Bang on- there's no way these turkeys will vote for Christmas. They will continue their proflicacy with budget increases at rates that are out of step with the economic performance of member states. For example, the artificial food subsidies create surplus food held in stores while people go hungry : disgusting.

 

[MegaSteve]

How can u be sure of options when u dont know whats going to hapoen yet ?

Actualy Im glad u are clear . But surprised that the people entrusted to make the decisions are not
1st we hear . No deal better than bad deal

Then its no deal cant happen .

Im on record saying we are a yes country to europe because of grants etc im well aware of it .

2 years planning it weeks remaining and they cant get areeement in westminster let alone a workable plan to take back to EU ..

But at least a few on here are clear

Part of the 'problem' is that politicians, in general, don't like being told what to do... They prefer to set the agenda and for us to say yes please...

 

[bladeplayer]

Part of the 'problem' is that politicians, in general, don't like being told what to do... They prefer to set the agenda and for us to say yes please...

Welcome to Ireland 😊

 

[bladeplayer]

Brussels only has interest/concern for its own fiefdom... It's really not bothered about the wider needs/concerns of the citizens...

Are u surprised ?
What politicians in any country realy care one they are elected ?
Do uk politicans care
Do Irl politicians care

Not a jot

 

[MegaSteve]

Are u surprised ?
What politicians in any country realy care one they are elected ?
Do uk politicans care
Do Irl politicians care

Not a jot

No I am not... But I'd only like to be paying for one lot of wasters... And, as I was never likely to be given the opportunity of dispatching Westminster it had to be cheerio Brussels...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

UK...……. we are leaving you.
EU...……...sorry to hear that
UK...……..ah but we are only leaving you under our terms and these are our red lines.
EU...……..Ok that seems fair we agree.
A few weeks later
UK...……..hang on we also want X,Y and Z
EU ………..sorry we have an agreement.

Really tough sods to negotiate with them EU blighters.

 

[SocketRocket]

When a politician asks for no-deal to be removed from the table how do they expect negotiations to conclude if there can be no agreement. I suspect what they are actually meaning is to stay in the EU rather than leaving on WTO rules. IMO the public, when asked, voted to leave the EU so removing No-deal means there is no default condition (backstop) that meets the referendums instruction. We seem to have a parliament with a majority of remainers and a public with a majority of leavers, the parliament remainers also seem to want a second referendum in the hope they get the decision they prefer.

You couldn't make it up.

 

[SocketRocket]

UK...……. we are leaving you.
EU...……...sorry to hear that
UK...……..ah but we are only leaving you under our terms and these are our red lines.
EU...……..Ok that seems fair we agree.
A few weeks later
UK...……..hang on we also want X,Y and Z
EU ………..sorry we have an agreement.

Really tough sods to negotiate with them EU blighters.

But we don't have an agreement, the agreement needed ratification by all EU member states and the UK Parliament. You missed that bit. I wonder why 🤔

 

[bladeplayer]

No I am not... But I'd only like to be paying for one lot of wasters... And, as I was never likely to be given the opportunity of dispatching Westminster it had to be cheerio Brussels...

Fair point

 

[Doon frae Troon]

OOOOO.... looks like a second referendum now thanks to Jeremy.

 

[Old Skier]

OOOOO.... looks like a second referendum now thanks to Jeremy.

Momentum shoved his arm up his back.

 

[Foxholer]

H'mm!

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf

Though there is defintely 'wiggle room'!

 

[Foxholer]

Momentum shoved his arm up his back.

Twaddle!