Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[drdel]

I have been told by a EU expert that Turkey are offering a free trade deal with the UK but insist on free movement.
Brilliant.
Best offer yet.

BTW this expert has never shown any deep previous interest in politics before Brexit and is starting to get very angry shouty and sweary [most unlike her] the nearer 29th of March comes

"...a EU expert..." in what exact field of expertise?

 

[Fade and Die]

When I voted to leave the EU what I actually meant was stay minus the veto and lose any say at all over our future. I also voted leave so we could join the Euro.

I may of thought leave meant leave but I am a thicko who didn’t understand what I was doing and just wanted all the blacks and Asians to go home to Poland.

I’m now convinced that only well off progressive liberals should be allowed to vote because the rest of us can’t be trusted to get the right result.

 

[robinthehood]

When I voted to leave the EU what I actually meant was stay minus the veto and lose any say at all over our future. I also voted leave so we could join the Euro.

I may of thought leave meant leave but I am a thicko who didn’t understand what I was doing and just wanted all the blacks and Asians to go home to Poland.

I’m now convinced that only well off progressive liberals should be allowed to vote because the rest of us can’t be trusted to get the right result.

Sounds about right

 

[Kellfire]

Sounds about right

Scary how a joke post is so accurate though.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

"...a EU expert..." in what exact field of expertise?

Breakfast cooking. [as if]

Just when you thought that this government could not get any more incompetent they take it to a higher level.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The vote goes back again 😱.

 

[User62651]

The vote goes back again 😱.

11th hour concessions from EU being relied upon, ERG guy said it on tv yesterday, 'we must hold our nerve and keep no deal as our bargaining chip', that's the govt tactic it seems, dangerous game though and somewhat desperate given what the public was sold pre referendum.

 

[drdel]

11th hour concessions from EU being relied upon, ERG guy said it on tv yesterday, 'we must hold our nerve and keep no deal as our bargaining chip', that's the govt tactic it seems, dangerous game though and somewhat desperate given what the public was sold pre referendum.

True but any really 'big' negotiations with a pre-declared end date always go this way - its the nature of the beast!

When you have people on both side bleating on twitter and other silly places the 'negotiators' almost become a sideline act and divorced from the severity of the core subject. Tusk is reported to have said his comments about ".. a place in hell..." were intended to cause consternation demonstrates a lack of statesmanship and how juvenile he is.

 

[ColchesterFC]

There was a stat on Andrew Marr this morning showing potential price rises for a few foods after Brexit. One of them was Cheddar cheese which was predicted to rise in price by between 6% and 32% (or possibly 22%). Now I'm not suggesting this is wrong or it's Project Fear but can anyone explain how a cheese made in England will become more expensive due to Brexit? I'm assuming that they don't import vast quantities of milk to make the cheese so why would it get up to a third more expensive? What have I missed?

 

[Fish]

There was a stat on Andrew Marr this morning showing potential price rises for a few foods after Brexit. One of them was Cheddar cheese which was predicted to rise in price by between 6% and 32% (or possibly 22%). Now I'm not suggesting this is wrong or it's Project Fear but can anyone explain how a cheese made in England will become more expensive due to Brexit? I'm assuming that they don't import vast quantities of milk to make the cheese so why would it get up to a third more expensive? What have I missed?

Hard border for hard cheese production across Devon 😜

 

[Doon frae Troon]

There was a stat on Andrew Marr this morning showing potential price rises for a few foods after Brexit. One of them was Cheddar cheese which was predicted to rise in price by between 6% and 32% (or possibly 22%). Now I'm not suggesting this is wrong or it's Project Fear but can anyone explain how a cheese made in England will become more expensive due to Brexit? I'm assuming that they don't import vast quantities of milk to make the cheese so why would it get up to a third more expensive? What have I missed?

Cheese [and most foods] has never been cheaper, so it could also be a leveling of the market.

Crazy situation in the UK/EU where farmers are heavily subsidised to produce cheap food, cut the subsidy and pay the proper price to the farmers.
Tatties, Neeps and Kale are all very cheap so the UK should not starve in a post UKIP/ERG/Tory Brexit.

 

[Sweep]

There was a stat on Andrew Marr this morning showing potential price rises for a few foods after Brexit. One of them was Cheddar cheese which was predicted to rise in price by between 6% and 32% (or possibly 22%). Now I'm not suggesting this is wrong or it's Project Fear but can anyone explain how a cheese made in England will become more expensive due to Brexit? I'm assuming that they don't import vast quantities of milk to make the cheese so why would it get up to a third more expensive? What have I missed?

The key word was “potential”. They usually use “could”, “might”, “may”, “possibly”

 

[Fade and Die]

There was a stat on Andrew Marr this morning showing potential price rises for a few foods after Brexit. One of them was Cheddar cheese which was predicted to rise in price by between 6% and 32% (or possibly 22%). Now I'm not suggesting this is wrong or it's Project Fear but can anyone explain how a cheese made in England will become more expensive due to Brexit? I'm assuming that they don't import vast quantities of milk to make the cheese so why would it get up to a third more expensive? What have I missed?

How about this cracker....

‘Whitehall fears corpses piling up at ports in the event of no-deal’

This would be dead non UK nationals waiting to be repatriated.
Can you imagine the hilarity in the city wine bar last night when some half-cut civil servants had a bet that some hack would print that? And the Sunday Times did! Investigative journalism at it’s best.

🤔Now that I think about it Has anyone thought to check the fuel levels in the back up generators that power the raptor pen? 😂😂😂

 

[Old Skier]

Hard border for hard cheese production across Devon 😜

We are also charging double for cider, the real stuff, not the fizzie muck @Fish drinks

 

[oxymoron]

Nice try, I was addressing all the points in Oxymorons post, I didn’t realise I had to seek your approval for my responses!

No i dont think you were , where did i specifically link Corbyn with the flypast ? I just said i was off to watch it, sorry if you wanted it in a separate post .

I was not "flag waving " as you seem to infer but if you see it as that then crack on, perhaps in all this we would be better off if indeed we did flag wave a bit more instead of putting ourselves down at every opportunity .

 

[oxymoron]

No, my original post was in response to the about Corbyn and the same old lazy comments and flag waving.
You decided to answer my post.

If someone wants to criticise Corbyn and whether he should or should get involved with Brexit fine, but use facts, it certainly wasn’t behind anyones back it was announced days ago, so connecting it to yesterday’s flypast and his supposed terrorist links etc is wrong imo.

Again you connect it , see post above.

 

[bladeplayer]

As an outsider Do ye what i get from this thread the more often i read it ?? For the record Im not taking sides .i Dont care if ye stay or go tbh

Its clear from the debate that None of ye actually know whats going to happen . It appears nobody does .. good or bad how did ur government get u to a position where u are weeks from leaving and nobody knows the full consequences.

That itself is scarier than leaving or staying .

 

[Lord Tyrion]

As an outsider Do ye what i get from this thread the more often i read it ?? For the record Im not taking sides .i Dont care if ye stay or go tbh

Its clear from the debate that None of ye actually know whats going to happen . It appears nobody does .. good or bad how did ur government get u to a position where u are weeks from leaving and nobody knows the full consequences.

That itself is scarier than leaving or staying .

100%. I've been sent an email from the local Chamber of Commerce inviting me to a day of talks on what happens after Brexit. Apparently there will be experts there. What will they talk about? It's all hypothetical as virtually a month from leaving and we are still in the dark, genuinely in the dark. As a business owner this situation is awful. The govt are incompetent, I am sure you have picked that up over in Ireland.

 

[Hacker Khan]

As an outsider Do ye what i get from this thread the more often i read it ?? For the record Im not taking sides .i Dont care if ye stay or go tbh

Its clear from the debate that None of ye actually know whats going to happen . It appears nobody does .. good or bad how did ur government get u to a position where u are weeks from leaving and nobody knows the full consequences.

That itself is scarier than leaving or staying .

Incompetence, arrogance, complete overestimation of their actual abilities, desperate need to appeal to the noisy voices of a few on the extremes of their party over getting a majority of MPs on board from all sides, starting the countdown clock when they had not got anywhere near a consensus on how they would execute it, take your pick.

And you are right, this is the lot that will lead us into a brave new world. Opposed by a complete shambles of an opposition.

 

[Sweep]

As an outsider Do ye what i get from this thread the more often i read it ?? For the record Im not taking sides .i Dont care if ye stay or go tbh

Its clear from the debate that None of ye actually know whats going to happen . It appears nobody does .. good or bad how did ur government get u to a position where u are weeks from leaving and nobody knows the full consequences.

That itself is scarier than leaving or staying .

Are you talking about our UK government or our EU government? It seems both have to take responsibility for negotiating for 2 years and coming up with virtually nothing.