Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[harpo_72]

Correct! i know I was totally deluded.

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[SocketRocket]

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You missed the bit about you being totally bigoted.

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[Deleted member 15344]

Just admit you got it wrong and no one is losing their job over it.

Do you think that the loss of potential jobs that have gone in an area that needs employment is something to look to score points on ?

All the words it’s all semantics but what doesn’t change is your lack of sympathy for people that are affected by the current Brexit process

The company have said right out that they are changing things because of the uncertainty, I know another load of builders who have just lost their jobs because contracts have stopped and yes because of the uncertainty over Brexit - people each week are losing their job over this whole pathetic mess - and you spend most of your time arrogantly putting people down and trying to score points on here

This is people’s livelihood, family’s possibly going to struggle , people are going to lose their homes , no one right now is profiting from this whole mess.

But as said people like you don’t care

It’s interesting how hypocritical you are as well - whinge and cry when some makes a derogatory comment towards you because of your attitude yet you are more than happy to dish them out

 

[SocketRocket]

Do you think that the loss of potential jobs that have gone in an area that needs employment is something to look to score points on ?

All the words it’s all semantics but what doesn’t change is your lack of sympathy for people that are affected by the current Brexit process

The company have said right out that they are changing things because of the uncertainty, I know another load of builders who have just lost their jobs because contracts have stopped and yes because of the uncertainty over Brexit - people each week are losing their job over this whole pathetic mess - and you spend most of your time arrogantly putting people down and trying to score points on here

This is people’s livelihood, family’s possibly going to struggle , people are going to lose their homes , no one right now is profiting from this whole mess.

But as said people like you don’t care

It’s interesting how hypocritical you are as well - whinge and cry when some makes a derogatory comment towards you because of your attitude yet you are more than happy to dish them out

Absolute drivel.

 

[Hobbit]

I don’t argue that the legislation and government policies don’t impact, and I think we agree that there is a general slump. Brexit as I have stated, doesn’t offer a fix.
Where I contest your statement regards jobs, they will trim down development teams. Nissan will have teams that make the car more European than Asian as the markets differ significantly in likes, wants and needs.

The European development team, for all the cars sold in Europe is based at Cranfield. That includes cars manufactured outside of the EU. They'll still have input into the development of the European tweaked X-Trails, even though they'll be built in Japan. America also has a development team, and so on to Africa and the Far East.

We're splitting hairs. I don't think it will impact current jobs in the UK, you do... agree to differ.

 

[Hobbit]

Do you think that the loss of potential jobs that have gone in an area that needs employment is something to look to score points on ?

All the words it’s all semantics but what doesn’t change is your lack of sympathy for people that are affected by the current Brexit process

The company have said right out that they are changing things because of the uncertainty, I know another load of builders who have just lost their jobs because contracts have stopped and yes because of the uncertainty over Brexit - people each week are losing their job over this whole pathetic mess - and you spend most of your time arrogantly putting people down and trying to score points on here

This is people’s livelihood, family’s possibly going to struggle , people are going to lose their homes , no one right now is profiting from this whole mess.

But as said people like you don’t care

It’s interesting how hypocritical you are as well - whinge and cry when some makes a derogatory comment towards you because of your attitude yet you are more than happy to dish them out

You started out in post 5233 by saying loss of job, and now you're saying loss of potential jobs. You, as usual, moving the goal posts.

We all know its terrible news but you exaggerated it into loss of jobs. No it isn't loss of jobs. No one is losing their job in Sunderland because X-Trail production is going to be done in Japan.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You started out in post 5233 by saying loss of job, and now you're saying loss of potential jobs. You, as usual, moving the goal posts.

We all know its terrible news but you exaggerated it into loss of jobs. No it isn't loss of jobs. No one is losing their job in Sunderland because X-Trail production is going to be done in Japan.

It’s semantics and you know exactly what was meant - people are just trying to twist things to ensure this is not a negative towards Brexit

When it was announced that Nissan were going to create all these new jobs when they started manufacturing the X Trail it was lauded by people voting leave - lots of people saying - “ look Nissan aren’t worried about Brexit , they are going to create all these new jobs for people “ and it was said all these fears about companies leaving was nonsense because “ look what Nissan are doing “ - it was all over the other thread from the expected people

Now that Nissan have pulled the plug on that - the jobs that was creating have gone , simple as that , all that talk about look at these new jobs being created it’s all gone now - but all those celebrating Nissan when the first announcement was made now dismiss Brexit as a reason for them cancelling - maybe it’s head in sand time from those people

Which ever way people want to squirm around - Nissan stopping this is bad for the area and they are saying it’s because of Brexit.

 

[Hobbit]

It’s semantics and you know exactly what was meant - people are just trying to twist things to ensure this is not a negative towards Brexit

When it was announced that Nissan were going to create all these new jobs when they started manufacturing the X Trail it was lauded by people voting leave - lots of people saying - “ look Nissan aren’t worried about Brexit , they are going to create all these new jobs for people “ and it was said all these fears about companies leaving was nonsense because “ look what Nissan are doing “ - it was all over the other thread from the expected people

Now that Nissan have pulled the plug on that - the jobs that was creating have gone , simple as that , all that talk about look at these new jobs being created it’s all gone now - but all those celebrating Nissan when the first announcement was made now dismiss Brexit as a reason for them cancelling - maybe it’s head in sand time from those people

Which ever way people want to squirm around - Nissan stopping this is bad for the area and they are saying it’s because of Brexit.

I'm not disputing its a negative, a huge negative. What I am disputing is your accuracy. You call it semantics and I call it spin to make it look worse. You're either being lazy with your interpretation or posting a negative for effect.

On the issue of jobs and car manufacturing. The USA continues significant overall jobs growth. But when you look at car manufacturing and jobs in that industry, in a blossoming country, you will see that its contracted 10%, which is 14% against the growth figure. Arguing the toss and blaming Brexit for something thats a global issue is an exaggeration. Yes Brexit is causing uncertainty and will impact on the industry but saying its THE reason for all the ills of the industry is just plain stupid.

 

[SocketRocket]

It’s semantics and you know exactly what was meant - people are just trying to twist things to ensure this is not a negative towards Brexit

When it was announced that Nissan were going to create all these new jobs when they started manufacturing the X Trail it was lauded by people voting leave - lots of people saying - “ look Nissan aren’t worried about Brexit , they are going to create all these new jobs for people “ and it was said all these fears about companies leaving was nonsense because “ look what Nissan are doing “ - it was all over the other thread from the expected people

Now that Nissan have pulled the plug on that - the jobs that was creating have gone , simple as that , all that talk about look at these new jobs being created it’s all gone now - but all those celebrating Nissan when the first announcement was made now dismiss Brexit as a reason for them cancelling - maybe it’s head in sand time from those people

Which ever way people want to squirm around - Nissan stopping this is bad for the area and they are saying it’s because of Brexit.

Of course we would like to see more jobs come to the UK but its not all bad news, the UK has attracted more new Jobs year on year, millions of them.compare UK employment with other EU countries.

You are paranoid about Brexit and look to castigate anyone who supports it. You have no balance with reality but rather bleat on about anyone with a different view being heartless and completely selfish. Get a grip on reality, most people who voted leave didnt do it for selfish reasons but because they believe it will create a better country to live in as opposed to the federalist direction the EU is taking us.

I await your normal vitriolic personal onslaught.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not disputing its a negative, a huge negative. What I am disputing is your accuracy. You call it semantics and I call it spin to make it look worse. You're either being lazy with your interpretation or posting a negative for effect.

On the issue of jobs and car manufacturing. The USA continues significant overall jobs growth. But when you look at car manufacturing and jobs in that industry, in a blossoming country, you will see that its contracted 10%, which is 14% against the growth figure. Arguing the toss and blaming Brexit for something thats a global issue is an exaggeration. Yes Brexit is causing uncertainty and will impact on the industry but saying its THE reason for all the ills of the industry is just plain stupid.

I don’t believe I said that Brexit is the reason for all the ills ? Whilst yes I may have not put my Interpretation across well I certainly haven’t blamed Brexit for everything?

 

[robinthehood]

Absolute drivel.

To be fair, he seems to have you down to a T

 

[Hacker Khan]

Of course we would like to see more jobs come to the UK but its not all bad news, the UK has attracted more new Jobs year on year, millions of them.compare UK employment with other EU countries.

You are paranoid about Brexit and look to castigate anyone who supports it. You have no balance with reality but rather bleat on about anyone with a different view being heartless and completely selfish. Get a grip on reality, most people who voted leave didnt do it for selfish reasons but because they believe it will create a better country to live in as opposed to the federalist direction the EU is taking us.

I await your normal vitriolic personal onslaught.

So that's all happened when we were in the EU then? So when we leave the EU we will be able to attract even more? Even though we are no longer in the largest trading bloc in the world?

 

[SocketRocket]

To be fair, he seems to have you down to a T

You still up?

 

[SocketRocket]

So that's all happened when we were in the EU then? So when we leave the EU we will be able to attract even more? Even though we are no longer in the largest trading bloc in the world?

Do you think the EU created those jobs? Our biggest growth area for trade has been outside the EU and this is increasing.

I feel that many EU countries will be going through a bad economic period now that the ECBs massive quantitative easing (which was giving false growth rates) has stopped. Are you also assuming the UK and EU will not continue to trade or have a new trade agreement ?

 

[harpo_72]

The European development team, for all the cars sold in Europe is based at Cranfield. That includes cars manufactured outside of the EU. They'll still have input into the development of the European tweaked X-Trails, even though they'll be built in Japan. America also has a development team, and so on to Africa and the Far East.

We're splitting hairs. I don't think it will impact current jobs in the UK, you do... agree to differ.

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[Del_Boy]

Do you think that the loss of potential jobs that have gone in an area that needs employment is something to look to score points on ?

All the words it’s all semantics but what doesn’t change is your lack of sympathy for people that are affected by the current Brexit process

The company have said right out that they are changing things because of the uncertainty, I know another load of builders who have just lost their jobs because contracts have stopped and yes because of the uncertainty over Brexit - people each week are losing their job over this whole pathetic mess - and you spend most of your time arrogantly putting people down and trying to score points on here

This is people’s livelihood, family’s possibly going to struggle , people are going to lose their homes , no one right now is profiting from this whole mess.

But as said people like you don’t care

It’s interesting how hypocritical you are as well - whinge and cry when some makes a derogatory comment towards you because of your attitude yet you are more than happy to dish them out

The firm I work for has now taken on another 5 people in the brexit department. That department is now 10 strong

 

[Fade and Die]

Of course we would like to see more jobs come to the UK but its not all bad news, the UK has attracted more new Jobs year on year, millions of them.compare UK employment with other EU countries.

You are paranoid about Brexit and look to castigate anyone who supports it. You have no balance with reality but rather bleat on about anyone with a different view being heartless and completely selfish. Get a grip on reality, most people who voted leave didnt do it for selfish reasons but because they believe it will create a better country to live in as opposed to the federalist direction the EU is taking us.

I await your normal vitriolic personal onslaught.

Nail. On. Head.

 

[Foxholer]

Of course we would like to see more jobs come to the UK but its not all bad news, the UK has attracted more new Jobs year on year, millions of them.compare UK employment with other EU countries.
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Could this actually have been BECAUSE of UK membership of the EU?

Just asking!

 

[USER1999]

That raises a very important question. Is North Watford north of Watford? Or is it part of Watford and therefore anything north of north Watford is north of Watford? 😀

Well, if I take a leaf out of The Grove book of mappage, I am in Chandlers Cross. Sadly, I am in Watford as is The Grove.

 

[SocketRocket]

Could this actually have been BECAUSE of UK membership of the EU?

Just asking!

Maybe, maybe not.
Why are these jobs not being generated in other EU countries, why do so many people wish to come here. What does the EU do for the UK that creates these jobs.

Just asking.