Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[harpo_72]

Looks like the EU got a good forward thinking deal in .. or just one in the eye to the UK.
They could have played it cooler and got all the Japanese businesses in the low employment areas of Europe.

 

[MegaSteve]

We've been bleeding jobs for the last forty years! The disgrace is that it's only become a concern in the last two....

 

[Doon frae Troon]

We've been bleeding jobs for the last forty years! The disgrace is that it's only become a concern in the last two....

Do you mean meaningful full time jobs...….seems to be plenty of zero - 16 hour jobs about.

 

[MegaSteve]

Do you mean meaningful full time jobs...….seems to be plenty of zero - 16 hour jobs about.

Yep...

As the guy from Siemens pointed out during QT last week... Middle income UK has been stripped bare of opportunities...

 

[SocketRocket]

Yep...

As the guy from Siemens pointed out during QT last week... Middle income UK has been stripped bare of opportunities...

And we still attract 350K immigrants a year. Must still be better than their homelands.

 

[SocketRocket]

Do you mean meaningful full time jobs...….seems to be plenty of zero - 16 hour jobs about.

Those Mars Bars aren't going to fry them selves 🤔

 

[Sweep]

Umm sorry to disappoint you but I’m talking about the troubles in this country - why are you going on about France

Maybe you should have googled that instead

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-vests-parliament-square-westminster-riot/amp

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inew...or-trying-to-blockade-westminster-bridge/amp/

You are doing it again. You post a link about Irish troubles in relation to Brexit but then deny you you are making any such assumption and now you post about yellow vest protests and deny you are talking about France.
100 protesters in London is of no consequence and is in no way comparable to the protests across France. If you bother to read your own links, in the I article it says no arrests were made and the protests were “perhaps” in favour of Brexit. BTW the I is remain on steroids. The ambulance blocking story has been largely discredited since.
In the Express (leave on steroids) article it says 4 people were arrested and one was a schoolgirl. I bet the police were quaking in their boots!
Hardly the mass violence you were insinuating.

 

[Sweep]

It’s not a brexit put down. The industry is going in decline world economies are contracting, these companies are looking at cost saves.
Let’s phrase it this way, Brexit is not a sure fire resolution to car sales.

Now i’ll Wait for the forum oracles to tell me otherwise.

Let’s phrase it this way, remaining is not a sure fire resolution to car sales.
If, as you say, it’s a world problem, it can’t be blamed on Brexit.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You are doing it again. You post a link about Irish troubles in relation to Brexit but then deny you you are making any such assumption

This thread gets worse from certain area -not once did I suggest the troubles in N Ireland were down to Brexit and it’s just cheap point scoring from certain people to even try and suggest anything of the sort

The two links I posted where about the votes about the violence .

and now you post about yellow vest protests and deny you are talking about France.

Why the hell would I be talking about France when the conversation was about possible rioting in the UK ? I haven’t got the first clue about what’s going on in France - doesn’t concern me

100 protesters in London is of no consequence and is in no way comparable to the protests across France.

No one was comparing the two - the first person to bring up the France stuff was you

If you bother to read your own links, in the I article it says no arrests were made and the protests were “perhaps” in favour of Brexit. BTW the I is remain on steroids. The ambulance blocking story has been largely discredited since.
In the Express (leave on steroids) article it says 4 people were arrested and one was a schoolgirl. I bet the police were quaking in their boots!
Hardly the mass violence you were insinuating.

Who said anything about mass violence ? Where exactly did I even get anywhere near to insinuate that there would be mass violence ?!?

The pathetic level the point scoring and the twisting people are getting to now are truly embarrassing- people like you and other Brexiters or whatever they are called are making things worse and if the country does explode and things do go badly when we leave maybe those people need to look at their own actions through this whole process

This thread was a decent read at one stage when some people weren’t posting - now it’s just attack after attack when someone posts who voted stay

Worthless posting in it now

 

[Sweep]

Looks like the EU got a good forward thinking deal in .. or just one in the eye to the UK.
They could have played it cooler and got all the Japanese businesses in the low employment areas of Europe.

Are you suggesting the EU did a deal with Japan to spite the UK?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Good question asked on Wings.
If the Tories really believe in that the NI Border can be solved by technology why are they not signing up to May's agreement.

 

[Sweep]

This thread gets worse from certain area -not once did I suggest the troubles in N Ireland were down to Brexit and it’s just cheap point scoring from certain people to even try and suggest anything of the sort

The two links I posted where about the votes about the violence .



Why the hell would I be talking about France when the conversation was about possible rioting in the UK ? I haven’t got the first clue about what’s going on in France - doesn’t concern me



No one was comparing the two - the first person to bring up the France stuff was you



Who said anything about mass violence ? Where exactly did I even get anywhere near to insinuate that there would be mass violence ?!?

The pathetic level the point scoring and the twisting people are getting to now are truly embarrassing- people like you and other Brexiters or whatever they are called are making things worse and if the country does explode and things do go badly when we leave maybe those people need to look at their own actions through this whole process

This thread was a decent read at one stage when some people weren’t posting - now it’s just attack after attack when someone posts who voted stay

Worthless posting in it now

Good grief!
In your post about the Londonderry bomb you put up a link - and I quote “Also a bit in this about the tensions over Brexit and border”
This clearly insinuates you are linking the two. It’s in the same damned post.
Then you mention the Yellow Vest protests without mentioning London and then when challenged you say you are not talking the thousands protesting in France where the yellow vest movement has become almost iconic and is worldwide news but you are really talking about 100 people in London, some of whom were schoolgirls.
And you did say that the yellow vest protests were not peaceful. I quote
“remain have protested - peacefully , Yellow hi vests not so much.”
You are right though. Some of the posts on here are embarrassing, but I am sure we disagree on which ones.
If you don’t want to be challenged on what you post and you really didn’t mean to link the NI troubles to Brexit or the yellow vests to France then you really need to write your posts more carefully.
And please, don’t even start by suggesting that people like me, by expressing an opinion on a golf forum need to look at my actions in case violence erupts. Seriously what planet are you on?
To use your debating tactic, please show me where I have advocated violent protest.
And you are right. People do attack posts they don’t agree with. It’s a debate. And you are just as much to blame as anyone else.

 

[Sweep]

Good question asked on Wings.
If the Tories really believe in that the NI Border can be solved by technology why are they not signing up to May's agreement.

Lots of reasons, mainly because it doesn’t make allowances for the technology and getting out of the backstop was not unilaterally possible.

 

[MegaSteve]

And we still attract 350K immigrants a year. Must still be better than their homelands.

An economy based on car wash operatives and nail bar workers won't last...

 

[Sweep]

I'm not disputing its a negative, a huge negative. What I am disputing is your accuracy. You call it semantics and I call it spin to make it look worse. You're either being lazy with your interpretation or posting a negative for effect.

On the issue of jobs and car manufacturing. The USA continues significant overall jobs growth. But when you look at car manufacturing and jobs in that industry, in a blossoming country, you will see that its contracted 10%, which is 14% against the growth figure. Arguing the toss and blaming Brexit for something thats a global issue is an exaggeration. Yes Brexit is causing uncertainty and will impact on the industry but saying its THE reason for all the ills of the industry is just plain stupid.

From Autoexpress.co.uk
Critics were quick to hold Nissan’s reported decision up as an example of the Brexit malaise said to be gripping car companies ahead of the UK’s departure from the EU on 29 March, but the true reasons behind it are likely to be more numerous than Brexit alone.

Nissan produced 10.7 per cent fewer cars in the UK last year than they did in 2017, for example. The X-Trail is also a relatively large SUV and is well-paired with a diesel engine, however sales of diesel-engined cars declined by almost 30 per cent in 2018.

And, while the X-Trail's diesel engines come from business partner Renault in relatively nearby France, the model's petrol engines would have to be shipped over from Japan. Finally, while the Qashqai has been a huge success for Nissan, the larger X-Trail is a far less common sight on UK roads.

 

[SocketRocket]

An economy based on car wash operatives and nail bar workers won't last...

True

 

[SocketRocket]

This thread gets worse from certain area -not once did I suggest the troubles in N Ireland were down to Brexit and it’s just cheap point scoring from certain people to even try and suggest anything of the sort

The two links I posted where about the votes about the violence .



Why the hell would I be talking about France when the conversation was about possible rioting in the UK ? I haven’t got the first clue about what’s going on in France - doesn’t concern me



No one was comparing the two - the first person to bring up the France stuff was you



Who said anything about mass violence ? Where exactly did I even get anywhere near to insinuate that there would be mass violence ?!?

The pathetic level the point scoring and the twisting people are getting to now are truly embarrassing- people like you and other Brexiters or whatever they are called are making things worse and if the country does explode and things do go badly when we leave maybe those people need to look at their own actions through this whole process

This thread was a decent read at one stage when some people weren’t posting - now it’s just attack after attack when someone posts who voted stay

Worthless posting in it now

Me thinks you protesteth too much.

 

[drdel]

I'm somewhat confused by Varadkar's increasingly dictatorial stance and disappointed that he seems to be inferring violence is almost inevitable. Given that the Republic's economy is pretty entwined with the UK's I had thought he'd want to be looking forward and encourage a free trade style of relationship and the UK and EU to demonstrate pragmatism in the way some Eastern members have with more uncertain/unstable borders.

 

[robinthehood]

From Autoexpress.co.uk
Critics were quick to hold Nissan’s reported decision up as an example of the Brexit malaise said to be gripping car companies ahead of the UK’s departure from the EU on 29 March, but the true reasons behind it are likely to be more numerous than Brexit alone.

Nissan produced 10.7 per cent fewer cars in the UK last year than they did in 2017, for example. The X-Trail is also a relatively large SUV and is well-paired with a diesel engine, however sales of diesel-engined cars declined by almost 30 per cent in 2018.

And, while the X-Trail's diesel engines come from business partner Renault in relatively nearby France, the model's petrol engines would have to be shipped over from Japan. Finally, while the Qashqai has been a huge success for Nissan, the larger X-Trail is a far less common sight on UK roads.

From a follow up article, car industry investment in 2015 was 2.5bil.
last year just 600m.
Any major changes in that time ?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

From a follow up article, car industry investment in 2015 was 2.5bil.
last year just 600m.
Any major changes in that time ?

Potentially the obvious one but the whole diesel engine issue is massive as has been the drive for mfrs to meet new testing targets. Most of Europe was geared up to make diesel cars. Petrol was pretty much the preserve of little cars. The EU is now hammering diesel engines and the UK govt is screwing them in terms of tax for business leases. Mfrs had to get their current cars through changes in emmission testing. They have largely done that now. Phase 2 is to develop hybrid engines. It has been a perfect storm for the industry and throwing Brexit into the mix has not helped.

Brexit is clearly a major headache but there is more going on in the auto industry than just Brexit.