Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Hacker Khan said:
Well I'm impressed that a bunch of posters on a golf website know there are simple solutions out there that the BBCs reality check and it seems the EU and British government are unaware of https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47047993
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I guess we are not in reciept of "educational grants" from the EU!! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: (Calling something "Reality Check" doesnt make it so!)
 
Hacker Khan said:
Well I'm impressed that a bunch of posters on a golf website know there are simple solutions out there that the BBCs reality check and it seems the EU and British government are unaware of https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47047993
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Do yourself a favour and Google electronic customs documents. You will see that companies like FedEx and DHL come up in the results. Google Estonia border controls - fast track. Educate yourself.

Or alternatively you can be a d!ck and post up sarcastic comments.
 
Hobbit said:
Do yourself a favour and Google electronic customs documents. You will see that companies like FedEx and DHL come up in the results. Google Estonia border controls - fast track. Educate yourself.

Or alternatively you can be a d!ck and post up sarcastic comments.
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We ship all over Europe. I was talking to one of our carriers yesterday about a regular shipment we do to Bulgaria. I asked where he expected it get stuck if things get messy, , if anywhere. He highlighted that the goods will be cleared by electronic documentation before it got close to Bulgaria. It's what happens now with shipments coming in by sea.

The system will need more people thrown at it but it is already in place.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Well I'm impressed that a bunch of posters on a golf website know there are simple solutions out there that the BBCs reality check and it seems the EU and British government are unaware of https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47047993
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If Tom Edgington says it's not possible then who are we to disagree.

I ask you again why you appear to be so anti UK, it sounds like you want us to fail, I can understand someone questioning a proposition but you seem to be wishing Brexit failure. Do you want it to fail?
 
SocketRocket said:
If Tom Eddington says it's not possible then who are we to disagree.

I ask you again why you appear to be so anti UK, it sounds like you want us to fail, I can understand someone questioning a proposition but you seem to be wishing Brexit failure. Do you want it to fail?
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Right then.. My very last word on the subject (I promise this time). I doubt very very much if anyone wants Brexit to fail.. No one can be that stupid. However, there are a sizable number of people who don't want it to happen. That's a very different thing entirely. Do you agree?

There are many reasons for not wanting it to happen. My own reasons are part economic, but mainly because I believe that we evolve quicker as a society when we come together and work as a coherent whole, rather than as a group of disparate individuals. I love being British, but my background also makes me proud to be of German and Irish heritage. I therefore consider myself as European, almost as much as British.
 
Hacker Khan said:
No it is not. There are at best suggestions that could work if they were properly evaluated and then executed. Some of which seem to involve vast IT infrastructure projects that will need to work with a massive range of products. Just because some Dutch fruit growers have come up with a suggestion using digital pre-clearance then the whole border thing in Ireland is easily resolvable is just poppycock. There have been many suggestions, but none have been proven to be a practical workable solution that can be implemented in the next 2 years. Hence the seeming need for a backstop.

And I am sure we could potentially grow that much ourselves if we wanted to make a fundamental change to our agricultural practices. Assuming we had people who were wiling to work on the farms, but remind me where we generally source that labour from at the moment.... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...migrant-workers-labour-shortage-a8469806.html
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It seems you are wrong. As an importer and exporter of goods to and from the EU and outside the EU I know Hobbit’s points are correct. When importing the agent requests from me my suppliers invoice and the CN (or HS) code for the product and the duty is calculated. In 20 years I can’t remember a shipment from outside the EU being stopped (though I am sure some may have been checked but not delayed by it, so I wouldn’t have known). The difference is that with no borders there are no stops - usually. I was stopped once going into Holland in a van with an delivery so urgent I drove it there myself. So as we know, no borders doesn’t actually mean no borders and you can still be stopped.
It does seem that you don’t want a solution to be found though. I am sorry if it doesn’t fit your narrative but I think we all know deep inside that if we leave with no deal a solution will be found.
I was asked by a very concerned Chinese supplier last week what was going to happen. I said that in the worse case scenario we would have to deal with Europe on the same terms I deal with him. He said that we dealt ok so what was the problem?
As for BBC Fact Checker. May I suggest using a more neutral source?
And I do understand the foreign agricultural worker point. I do think we will have to make some adjustment to our working patterns and maybe more British people may well have to do these jobs. Maybe they don’t want to do the work because they have been priced out by foreign workers. It seems it has been easy to rely on “foreign” suppliers but seemingly just as easy to change, grow our own, pay workers more but save on Dutch profit and transport costs. We all know agriculture prices are too cheap and it’s a problem across the globe. I bet you are first in the queue for Fairtrade stuff for example.
 
bluewolf said:
Right then.. My very last word on the subject (I promise this time). I doubt very very much if anyone wants Brexit to fail.. No one can be that stupid. However, there are a sizable number of people who don't want it to happen. That's a very different thing entirely. Do you agree?

There are many reasons for not wanting it to happen. My own reasons are part economic, but mainly because I believe that we evolve quicker as a society when we come together and work as a coherent whole, rather than as a group of disparate individuals. I love being British, but my background also makes me proud to be of German and Irish heritage. I therefore consider myself as European, almost as much as British.
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I have absolutely no problem with you feeling European, I do myself, it's the European Union I want to leave not Europe.

I also agree that there is some benefit in being part of a society or Union. The Union I am happy with is the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and it's single market + customs union. I don't have a need to be part of a wider political Union.

I also understand that people wish us to remain in the Eu and that they are fully entitled to that view, I would fight with all I have to defend their right to hold that opinion. It may surprise many here but I do not attack their right or name call them for that opinion, I do however defend myself and others from attacks by posters who wish us to leave. I hoped those with contrary views would accept that we disagree.

I dislike intently the way many look to wish Brexit a failure and take pleasure in trying to dig up anything to discredit it, even to a level of wishing our country a shambolic future. You have responded to a question I asked someone else and although I have responded to your points my further comments are not directed to you.
 
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murphthemog said:
I don't see Portugal in any sort of a rush to give Madeira to Morocco either.
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To some on here, Spain will now be the good guys and as we know, the British are always bad.
Strange though that the same people usually in favour of independence bids were probably routing for Catalonia against Spain a few months ago.
 
Sweep said:
It seems you are wrong. As an importer and exporter of goods to and from the EU and outside the EU I know Hobbit’s points are correct. When importing the agent requests from me my suppliers invoice and the CN (or HS) code for the product and the duty is calculated. In 20 years I can’t remember a shipment from outside the EU being stopped (though I am sure some may have been checked but not delayed by it, so I wouldn’t have known). The difference is that with no borders there are no stops - usually. I was stopped once going into Holland in a van with an delivery so urgent I drove it there myself. So as we know, no borders doesn’t actually mean no borders and you can still be stopped.
It does seem that you don’t want a solution to be found though. I am sorry if it doesn’t fit your narrative but I think we all know deep inside that if we leave with no deal a solution will be found.
I was asked by a very concerned Chinese supplier last week what was going to happen. I said that in the worse case scenario we would have to deal with Europe on the same terms I deal with him. He said that we dealt ok so what was the problem?
As for BBC Fact Checker. May I suggest using a more neutral source?
And I do understand the foreign agricultural worker point. I do think we will have to make some adjustment to our working patterns and maybe more British people may well have to do these jobs. Maybe they don’t want to do the work because they have been priced out by foreign workers. It seems it has been easy to rely on “foreign” suppliers but seemingly just as easy to change, grow our own, pay workers more but save on Dutch profit and transport costs. We all know agriculture prices are too cheap and it’s a problem across the globe. I bet you are first in the queue for Fairtrade stuff for example.
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The BBC also did a piece 2 or 3 months back about freight trains crossing from Russia into Estonia. Each of the containers had some sort of sensor/RFID and as they crossed the border they went through what looked like a hoop. Elec declaration had already been done. The RFID was referenced to the declaration that showed what was in the container. Its that simple.

No doubt some supercilious, sarcastic sod will come on a poo poo the idea that something that is already being used very successfully is only "an idea that hasn't been evaluated yet."

Strange that when I was working out of the Stockholm office I had no problems getting engineers and parts backwards and forwards into Norway on an almost daily basis... but hey, some of us who've experienced it on a daily basis know nothing.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Looks like things are about to kick off in Gibraltar.
What else would you call it other than a British Colony.?
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Not surprised...

I drive from Spain into Portugal, there isn’t even a barrier.....
I drive from Spain into Gib. Miles of queues and aggro...

...ah, the EU. Pay them billions and they do what they like.
 
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