Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hacker Khan]

You think that she really wants to be responsible for a deal that has been said to be worse than No Deal? I'd actually take Remain over what I understand her pig's ear offers us.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ngle-market-customs-union-government-brussels

https://www.forbes.com/sites/france...it-deal-is-terrible-for-the-u-k/#56de06b27bd7

That's the dilemma, you are choosing to either cut off your arm or cut off your leg, one may be slightly less worse than the other but neither are very palatable.

I suspect more of the public will hold a no deal against her then they would hold some kind of deal against her. Politicians and commentators get all worked up about the implications of a backstop but I would think that a majority of the public just will say get a divorce deal done and then agree a trade deal in the next 2 years so you don't have to ever use the backstop. The tories then have another 2 years to work things out and spin away as needed, where as a no deal is pretty immediate and is much less 'spinable'

 

[Blue in Munich]

That's the dilemma, you are choosing to either cut off your arm or cut off your leg, one may be slightly less worse than the other but neither are very palatable.

I suspect more of the public will hold a no deal against her then they would hold some kind of deal against her. Politicians and commentators get all worked up about the implications of a backstop but I would think that a majority of the public just will say get a divorce deal done and then agree a trade deal in the next 2 years so you don't have to ever use the backstop. The tories then have another 2 years to work things out and spin away as needed, where as a no deal is pretty immediate and is much less 'spinable'

Or you could view it as cutting out a tumour; messy and takes some sorting out but preferable to the long term prognosis and offers the prospect of a full recovery and a brighter future.

I think the problem is that some kind of deal, the dog's dinner, lets her off the hook immediately but will taint her legacy, if that is possible, in years to come, as people realise what she's actually done. No deal will probably create more friction immediately, especially amongst the opposing factions of the great unwashed, but potentially will be looked upon fondly if we succeed in negotiating the better deals that could be possible.

Not sure a majority of the public will go for the deal over the no deal as the majority went for leave, but I'm sure the politicians will if they can't manage to wangle a way to Remain.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Or you could view it as cutting out a tumour; messy and takes some sorting out but preferable to the long term prognosis and offers the prospect of a full recovery and a brighter future.

I think the problem is that some kind of deal, the dog's dinner, lets her off the hook immediately but will taint her legacy, if that is possible, in years to come, as people realise what she's actually done. No deal will probably create more friction immediately, especially amongst the opposing factions of the great unwashed, but potentially will be looked upon fondly if we succeed in negotiating the better deals that could be possible.

Not sure a majority of the public will go for the deal over the no deal as the majority went for leave, but I'm sure the politicians will if they can't manage to wangle a way to Remain.

I don't think politicians give a rats ass what their legacy may turn out to be in 5,10 years time and are much more concerned about how things play in the here and now and how their party can gain or stay in power. Also the vast majority of business groups and many businesses who also have shareholders to answer to have spoken up against a no deal and I'm not sure they are classed as the great unwashed.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Off to NZ, Oz and SE Asia tomorrow for four and a bit months with Mrs SILH (yes - I know - poor girl!!) and oh how I will miss the daily banter, badinage and gay repartee of this place - and oh how I'll miss the joys of UK on the 29th March, not - oh joys unbounded.

But wait. They have the internet down there - ah but I shall desist methinks from visiting here - maybe pop in around 29th March - or whenever - just to see how things are doing - if we have gone or if we are still going - or not as the case might be.

 

[SocketRocket]

Im getting concerned about this lettuce situation and I dont really like lettuce much. Not sure where most of these lettuces come from but just imagine the farmer with millions of lettuces in his field and nowhere to send them. He would probably like to send them to the UK but it seems like we have a problem clearing lettuces through customs due to some lettuce tarrif we decided to apply.

Although, getting things into perspective. My Grandad and Grandma were bombed out of their house in Plymouth during the war but managed to get on with their lives without making a fuss. Maybe they were OK for lettuces though.

 

[SocketRocket]

Off to NZ, Oz and SE Asia tomorrow for four and a bit months with Mrs SILH (yes - I know - poor girl!!) and oh how I will miss the daily banter, badinage and gay repartee of this place - and oh how I'll miss the joys of UK on the 29th March, not - oh joys unbounded.

But wait. They have the internet down there - ah but I shall desist methinks from visiting here - maybe pop in around 29th March - or whenever - just to see holw things are doing - if we have gone or if we are still going - or not as the case might be.

Bet you dont 😉

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm as much interested in Klopps opinions as I am SILH's. I'll not bother to watch

Just as well I haven't bothered posting on this topic as I can't be a*sed with the dismissive and contemptuously arrogant attitude taken by some towards those who simply ask the question 'why the hell are we doing this to ourselves; how is the man or woman in the street going to benefit overall from leaving, especially from crashing out with No Deal - ah yes - sovereignty, taking back control?' What were the Vote Leave Headline Promises?

1) £350m a week we give to the EU to spend on whatever we want - why not spend it all on the NHS...
2) Reduced Immigration to levels in the 10s of thousands...
3) No more the 5million new immigrants by 2030 from Turkey and four other aspiring EU members

Well that's all going well. Ah - we haven't left yet...and mustn't forget that some prices in the shops might come down if we cut import tariffs...

Even when I don't post I get slagged off. And because I haven't posted chrisd's dig can only be personal - and I thought that was being stopped by the mods. I suppose it's OK to have a go at SILH.

Well it sucks.

 

[Hobbit]

Im getting concerned about this lettuce situation and I dont really like lettuce much. Not sure where most of these lettuces come from but just imagine the farmer with millions of lettuces in his field and nowhere to send them. He would probably like to send them to the UK but it seems like we have a problem clearing lettuces through customs due to some lettuce tarrif we decided to apply.

Although, getting things into perspective. My Grandad and Grandma were bombed out of their house in Plymouth during the war but managed to get on with their lives without making a fuss. Maybe they were OK for lettuces though.

Mmm, but just imagine all those EU exporters that have a contract to deliver on 'x' date with 'y' perishable goods. Did I hear a faint whiff of breach of contract? No, of course not. The UK government knows full well that putting food on the shelves is essential...

Earlier today, while watching a pair of Andalucian vultures doing their lets have some fun dance I Googled Estonia's border controls. Guess what? The EU has a fast track system of goods coming out of Russia into the EU. It even mentions time sensitive goods. An MRN document, the electronic thing that everyone says doesn't exist, and a fast lane across the border. OOOHHHH, lets all shout backstop and the dangers to peace!!! Maybe we should all be shouting at Tusk and Juncker and saying stop being ar5es about not implementing a solution that is already in place. C'mon, lets be honest here, the EU is being totally ar5sey to stop the UK getting a fair deal. And if some people can't be honest about it... best not say eh.

 

[chrisd]

Maybe worth a look?

 

[Hobbit]

Maybe worth a look?

Have you seen the one from just before this one. Guy Verhofstadt, or whatever his name is. Arrogant doesn't even come close. And he's the parliament's spokesperson on Brexit... Now he's someone I wouldn't mind kicking in the nuts.

 

[Hobbit]

Mmm, but just imagine all those EU exporters that have a contract to deliver on 'x' date with 'y' perishable goods. Did I hear a faint whiff of breach of contract? No, of course not. The UK government knows full well that putting food on the shelves is essential...

Earlier today, while watching a pair of Andalucian vultures doing their lets have some fun dance I Googled Estonia's border controls. Guess what? The EU has a fast track system of goods coming out of Russia into the EU. It even mentions time sensitive goods. An MRN document, the electronic thing that everyone says doesn't exist, and a fast lane across the border. OOOHHHH, lets all shout backstop and the dangers to peace!!! Maybe we should all be shouting at Tusk and Juncker and saying stop being ar5es about not implementing a solution that is already in place. C'mon, lets be honest here, the EU is being totally ar5sey to stop the UK getting a fair deal. And if some people can't be honest about it... best not say eh.

As a thought, don't you think the UK govt already knows about this solution? After all, there was a piece on the Beeb news about the rail version of this into the EU from Russia. Why aren't the UK govt shouting this from the roof tops? Why aren't they pointing very long fingers at the EU over this? Are they that thick?

Maybe its a Remainer PM not wanting the electorate to get their way...?

 

[Taz]

Have you seen the one from just before this one. Guy Verhofstadt, or whatever his name is. Arrogant doesn't even come close. And he's the parliament's spokesperson on Brexit... Now he's someone I wouldn't mind kicking in the nuts.

Can we form an orderly q.

 

[bladeplayer]

Off to NZ, Oz and SE Asia tomorrow for four and a bit months with Mrs SILH (yes - I know - poor girl!!) and oh how I will miss the daily banter, badinage and gay repartee of this place - and oh how I'll miss the joys of UK on the 29th March, not - oh joys unbounded.

But wait. They have the internet down there - ah but I shall desist methinks from visiting here - maybe pop in around 29th March - or whenever - just to see how things are doing - if we have gone or if we are still going - or not as the case might be.

In case i dont get international visa to come on after the 29th have a great break 😀😀

 

[SocketRocket]

Just as well I haven't bothered posting on this topic as I can't be a*sed with the dismissive and contemptuously arrogant attitude taken by some towards those who simply ask the question 'why the hell are we doing this to ourselves; how is the man or woman in the street going to benefit overall from leaving, especially from crashing out with No Deal - ah yes - sovereignty, taking back control?' What were the Vote Leave Headline Promises?

1) £350m a week we give to the EU to spend on whatever we want - why not spend it all on the NHS...
2) Reduced Immigration to levels in the 10s of thousands...
3) No more the 5million new immigrants by 2030 from Turkey and four other aspiring EU members

Well that's all going well. Ah - we haven't left yet...and mustn't forget that some prices in the shops might come down if we cut import tariffs...

Even when I don't post I get slagged off. And because I haven't posted chrisd's dig can only be personal - and I thought that was being stopped by the mods. I suppose it's OK to have a go at SILH.

Well it sucks.

We were not promised to reduce immigration to the 10s of thousands in the referendum, that was a previous target set by Cameron and he was a remainer, I think you know that.

Can you show me some link where the campaigns to leave actually stated 5 million immigrants from Turkey and four other aspiring nations by 2030.

 

[chrisd]

Have you seen the one from just before this one. Guy Verhofstadt, or whatever his name is. Arrogant doesn't even come close. And he's the parliament's spokesperson on Brexit... Now he's someone I wouldn't mind kicking in the nuts.

I did indeed see it and entirely agree with you

 

[SocketRocket]

Thinking on. Maybe a shortage of lettuces would just be the tip of an iceberg.

 

[Fade and Die]

Thinking on. Maybe a shortage of lettuces would just be the tip of an iceberg.

Hmmm....., I blame the Romaine lot.

 

[Sweep]

How old are you guys?
This really is playground stuff

Congratulations! You have just won the “that’s a bit rich” post of the year! And it’s still January.
At least I was laughing about the posts. Hence the smiley’s. I don’t think anyone was taking them too seriously.., except you possibly.

 

[Sweep]

I'm as much interested in Klopps opinions as I am SILH's. I'll not bother to watch

I didn’t watch it. He told us to look away, so I did.😀
I just thought it was someone else from an EU nation telling us what to do. Nothing new there.

 

[Sweep]

Can we form an orderly q.

Sorry, the UK has got to go to the back of the queue. You remember.