Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[bluewolf]

One of them was posted through every letterbox in the land, not very avoidable.

You didn't have to read it.. Like most Government leaflets, the vast majority will have just thrown it in the bin..

However, if you are bombarded on Facebook with articles telling you that the bogeyman is coming to take your jobs (and strangely enough your benefits), then it's very hard to avoid them all..

 

[IanM]

Not wanting to disagree, but the 3 items you listed for the Remain side were blunt and easily avoidable. The online targeted adverts, Allegedly using illegally harvested data is much more incisive and serves to reinforce viewpoints. As much as I hate it, there's no doubting its efficacy in areas such as this.

Not worked in advertising have you?

 

[SocketRocket]

You didn't have to read it.. Like most Government leaflets, the vast majority will have just thrown it in the bin..

However, if you are bombarded on Facebook with articles telling you that the bogeyman is coming to take your jobs (and strangely enough your benefits), then it's very hard to avoid them all..

You don't have to read everything on facebook, or even use facebook but we all have a letterbox. I suspect in the case of that particular booklet most people will have read it, especially after the amount of airtime put into promoting it.

 

[bluewolf]

Not worked in advertising have you?

No, I haven't. I take it that you have then?

All I have to base my opinions on are those pesky experts that no one seems to like anymore

 

[bluewolf]

You don't have to read everything on facebook, or even use facebook but we all have a letterbox. I suspect in the case of that particular booklet most people will have read it, especially after the amount of airtime put into promoting it.

But the booklet arrived once. The Facebook advertising was repeated and tailored to your existing mindset. It was also on Google, Twitter, Instagram etc.. It's scalpel sharp and very effective. It's also much much cheaper than traditional advertising.. Unless of course you're saying it doesn't work, in which case I wouldn't tell Google and Facebook as they make billions out of it.

 

[IanM]

...........and "Leavers" are predominately old white folk....probably not are the most suceptable sector to on line influence? Apologies if the earlier reply seemed brusque...

..and yes, I have worked in advertising...

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Interesting vote has just occurred. An amendment now means that if (read when) TM's Brexit bill gets defeated next week the govt will have to come back with a plan B within 3 days.

MP's are going to get a greater say on what is going to happen, good or bad?, so TM can no longer attempt to railroad her deals through parliament. All options back on the table methinks. This could either make a deeper mess or clear things up. Not sure which though.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Did I miss that vote were NI and Scotland were forced out of the UK ?

Doubt I will get an answer

So can anyone explain this vote yesterday? Radio were saying it means that a “no deal” is increasingly unlikely ?

That would be the Brexit vote when many leave voters in England and Wales voted without having a clue as to how it would effect NI and Scotland.

NI was always going to be a problem from day one.
The government ignored it for as long as they could hoping that the rUK would not give a stuff about them.

The no deal vote yesterday will hamstring the government as many spending issues would have to have a majority vote in Parliament.
Leading to a vote of no confidence and a spring election and probably a hung Parliament with the SNP taking over the DUP position in a SNP/LAB coalition government.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That would be the Brexit vote when many leave voters in England and Wales voted without having a clue as to how it would effect NI and Scotland.

NI was always going to be a problem from day one.
The government ignored it for as long as they could hoping that the rUK would not give a stuff about them.

The no deal vote yesterday will hamstring the government as many spending issues would have to have a majority vote in Parliament.
Leading to a vote of no confidence and a spring election and probably a hung Parliament with the SNP taking over the DUP position in a SNP/LAB coalition government.

Sorry but my Brexit vote was all about leaving Europe - said nothing about Scotland and NI leaving the UK ? I can’t remember seeing that option on the ballot sheet.

I do remember a recent vote for Scotland to leave the UK - I recall the vote result was to stay in the UK , NI have not had a vote - so your comment was complete nonsense and false as per normal

 

[SocketRocket]

Interesting vote has just occurred. An amendment now means that if (read when) TM's Brexit bill gets defeated next week the govt will have to come back with a plan B within 3 days.

MP's are going to get a greater say on what is going to happen, good or bad?, so TM can no longer attempt to railroad her deals through parliament. All options back on the table methinks. This could either make a deeper mess or clear things up. Not sure which though.

Plan 'B' we will have further discussions with the EU.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Plan 'B' we will have further discussions with the EU.

Can it be as bland as that? The journo's will be spinning over this one. Lots going on.

 

[bluewolf]

...........and "Leavers" are predominately old white folk....probably not are the most suceptable sector to on line influence? Apologies if the earlier reply seemed brusque...

..and yes, I have worked in advertising...

No need to apologise. I took it in the way it was meant

I thought that we couldn't say that Leavers were predominantly old white folk?

Also, if I use my "old white folk" parents as an example, they are most definitely the most susceptible to online advertising. I swear they'd believe the sky was green if an article on Facebook claimed it..

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sorry but my Brexit vote was all about leaving Europe - said nothing about Scotland and NI leaving the UK ? I can’t remember seeing that option on the ballot sheet.

I do remember a recent vote for Scotland to leave the UK - I recall the vote result was to stay in the UK , NI have not had a vote - so your comment was complete nonsense and false as per normal

So you believe that the folk in England who voted for Brexit were knowingly aware of the problems that it would bring to NI
Naw..it would not have been anywhere near their radar.

 

[IanM]

...and I could suguest that the barrage of other stuff I mentioned would have an equal or greater influence... (BBC in particular) When you consider the relative cost of advertising across those other media Remain had it pretty good! (much better than Leave)

I voted Leave and I'm 55! Does that count as old? (not on a golf site! )

 

[IanM]

So you believe that the folk in England who voted for Brexit were knowingly aware of the problems that it would bring to NI
Naw..it would not have been anywhere near their radar.

....only because attempts to block Brexit have brought NI into it!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So you believe that the folk in England who voted for Brexit were knowingly aware of the problems that it would bring to NI
Naw..it would not have been anywhere near their radar.

PS The Scottish independence vote was well over 4 years ago now...hardly recent when they say a week in politics is a long time.
A lot has happened in 4 years.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

...and I could suguest that the barrage of other stuff I mentioned would have an equal or greater influence... (BBC in particular) When you consider the relative cost of advertising across those other media Remain had it pretty good! (much better than Leave)

I voted Leave and I'm 55! Does that count as old? (not on a golf site! )

SO you must also agree that the BBC bias during the Scottish Independence vote was also well out of order.
Or is that when bias is OK.

 

[Hacker Khan]

No need to apologise. I took it in the way it was meant

I thought that we couldn't say that Leavers were predominantly old white folk?

Also, if I use my "old white folk" parents as an example, they are most definitely the most susceptible to online advertising. I swear they'd believe the sky was green if an article on Facebook claimed it..

Mine just believe any old rubbish they read in the Daily Telegraph....

 

[Lord Tyrion]

So you believe that the folk in England who voted for Brexit were knowingly aware of the problems that it would bring to NI
Naw..it would not have been anywhere near their radar.

You can apply that logic to all parts. Do the people of NI care what happens in the NE of England? Do those in Glasgow care about the impact in Kent? The NI issue should still be resolvable, that it hasn't is more about politics than a lack of an actual way of doing it.

 

[Hacker Khan]

...and I could suguest that the barrage of other stuff I mentioned would have an equal or greater influence... (BBC in particular) When you consider the relative cost of advertising across those other media Remain had it pretty good! (much better than Leave)

I voted Leave and I'm 55! Does that count as old? (not on a golf site! )

Both sides accuse the BBC of bias in brexit. https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...dcasting-corporation-how-remainers-turned-bbc https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/11/bbc-andrew-neil-media-politics https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...Radio-5-Live-Emma-Barnett-show-Barry-Gardiner https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2019/01/10/kawczynski-hits-out-at-bbc-brexit-bias/

And I can pretty much guarantee you will agree with 2 of those links and disagree vehemently with the other 2.