Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Fade and Die]

Scots construction industry seems to be booming, I think they are having trouble finding skilled staff. In fact I think most industries are having trouble finding staff thanks to UKIP and their buddies.
Perhaps the English lads and lassies need to get on their bikes. Added benefits are much cheaper housing, probable difficulty would be a disparity on wages, I wonder why?

I think you miss the point (deliberately?) London and the south east is saturated with cheap European labour pushing wages down. That is the real life experience of people in the SE and I believe the main reason we voted out. You may be lucky enough not to have had your way of life changed by the migrants but you are in the minority. I was in Carlisle last week, was surprised to see Romanians selling the big issue by the station and in the shopping centre.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You need to be a good dog and drop the UKIP bone... The EU supporting businesses need to shoulder much of the blame for lack of skilled labour.. As they have, for too long, taken the easy option of importing workers rather than invest in training 'local' folk.. However, I am prepared to admit, they now seem to be reversing this stance... Which should be seen as a positive for Brexit... For too long second and third generation kids of our commonwealth communities have been placed on ignore by employers...

You are missing the point.
What if there is no 'local folk' to employ, for example hospitality industry in the Highlands, fruit picking in Angus or even caddies at Turnberry.

 

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You are missing the point.
What if there is no 'local folk' to employ, for example hospitality industry in the Highlands, fruit picking in Angus or even caddies at Turnberry.

This attitude amazes me! Why can’t businesses do what they used to do to attract staff..... pay better wages. People openly say they support membership of the EU because it maintains the supply of low-wage workers to the UK. In other words, to make their own lives easier, they want to exploit the less wealthy countries of Eastern Europe. In any other context this would be denounced as racist.

 

[MegaSteve]

You are missing the point.
What if there is no 'local folk' to employ, for example hospitality industry in the Highlands, fruit picking in Angus or even caddies at Turnberry.

We, seem to have moved from 'good' jobs in construction to hospitality and fruit picking... Don't the 'local folk' in Scotland want that work?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Again you show that you have a poor grasp of business and ecconomics.
You Blame Thatchers Tories for ripping the heart out of industry and being happy for the Northern areas to rot. How exactly dod that work then, did Thatcher and her Tory mates march like stormtroopers into factories and shipyards with sledge hammers and crowbars in their hands then set to ripping the heart out of them. I think that's a rather emotional and unbalanced view on reality, these industries were inefficient and hemeraging money, they had not modernised and invested in new technology and production techniques, many were producing products of poor standard and were plagued by the trade unions commitig industrial hari kari and following a policy of trying to pull down the Government. Your precious EU was using the grants you love so much to encourage new production facilities in other countries such that they could produce the products the UK were failing with. I guess you were a child during this period and didnt experience the blackouts and three day working weeks due to union militancy, how the rubbish was festering in the streets and the dead being unburied.

Dont lecture me on Maggie Thatcher ripping the heart out of industries, do you honestly believe its the role of government to bail out all inefficient industries, even when doing so will simply hemerage money that should be spent on the NHS, social services, housing, defence. Your mates in the EU never came galloping in with their money tree grants did they.

If you want a government that will prop up such industry and create a socialist utopia then vote for Corbyn and his mates, no doubt they will magic up all you desire.

Well you can tell you are certainly a Tory boy

So I’ll ask again - before EU grants why were certain areas given no funding to regenerate whilst a lot of funding was given to build London to be a “financial hub” and if we are talking wasting money are the current Tory boys not wasting £56billion building something that has no use to 90% of the country

 

[Hobbit]

I'd recommend people to listen to this podcast with regards to our constitution. Yes we do not have one written document, but then again there are many part of it, some of them not unwritten https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b096j4m2

Nick, I've not watched the podcast but I'm well aware of our uncodified constitution, the term referring to the fact that our unwritten constitution is drawn from various areas of British law. As a document pertaining to a constitution its often considered that the Magna Carta is the overriding document.

 

[Hobbit]

Well you can tell you are certainly a Tory boy

So I’ll ask again - before EU grants why were certain areas given no funding to regenerate whilst a lot of funding was given to build London to be a “financial hub” and if we are talking wasting money are the current Tory boys not wasting £56billion building something that has no use to 90% of the country

And any chance of you answering my questions I posed to you Phil?

Oh, and by the way, the Tories didn't provide any funding for the "financial hub." The money came from a Canadian business tycoon, supported by tax breaks. No money left the Treasury for the project to expand the City of London. Considering the tax revenue from the City of London dwarfs that of any other industry in the UK it looks like the Tories made a very astute decision in creating a non-cost initiative that has brought in billions.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And any chance of you answering my questions I posed to you Phil?

Oh, and by the way, the Tories didn't provide any funding for the "financial hub." The money came from a Canadian business tycoon, supported by tax breaks. No money left the Treasury for the project to expand the City of London. Considering the tax revenue from the City of London dwarfs that of any other industry in the UK it looks like the Tories made a very astute decision in creating a non-cost initiative that has brought in billions.

Sorry which question - i start to shut off with the long winded posts at the end of the day tbh and the arrogance of the thread and the way people dismiss others based on how they voted is quite poor

It’s quite funny one person complaining about being insulted yet has insulted many people just because they want to remain in the EU.

And it’s great that London is doing so well - truely happy for all those EU citizens in London taking advantage of the financial hub - I guess that’s the same financial hub that helped cause the recession that millions are still paying for.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

We, seem to have moved from 'good' jobs in construction to hospitality and fruit picking... Don't the 'local folk' in Scotland want that work?

To many jobs, not enough workers...…….is that simple enough for you and others to understand.

 

[3offTheTee]

Perhaps you could show me a copy of the UK constitution you speak of.... I'd be really keen to see the document/pdf/photo copy/screenshot.... you do know the UK doesn't have a written constitution don't you? Many people wish it did have a constitution by the way but I look forward to you posting up a copy of the UNwritten constitution.

And its not two separate frameworks. But please post up a link showing its only laws and rights... oh, and directives... guess that makes 3. And environmental rights... is that rights or laws? They are 2 very different things. Are you getting confused again?

"We are part of a trade bloc so must adhere to the rights of the workers..." You do realise the UK still has a veto on workers rights, one of the few vetos Blair didn't give up. Maybe you could explain how the UK adheres to the EU working time directive.............. for which it exercised its right of veto.

"We can create our own laws..." Perhaps you can explain the first paragraph in post # 3498. Each member state in the EU writes its own laws, but in a lot of cases the root law is an EU law, or its a 'local' law that has passed a compliance test with the EU. We may write some of our laws but not without reference to the EU laws. So to repeat the question in post #3498, which is the higher court?

And I refer you to the last sentence/question in that post. Any chance of an answer?

Liverpool Phil
This is what I expect Hobbit wanted a truly from.

Thought Hobbit’s post was excellent

 

[Doon frae Troon]

This attitude amazes me! Why can’t businesses do what they used to do to attract staff..... pay better wages. People openly say they support membership of the EU because it maintains the supply of low-wage workers to the UK. In other words, to make their own lives easier, they want to exploit the less wealthy countries of Eastern Europe. In any other context this would be denounced as racist.

People who live in lowly populated poorer areas have a totally different set of problems/opportunities than folk who live in overpopulated rich areas.
Scotland desperately needs immigrant workers to fill the age gap caused by so many of our skilled workers moving on for higher salaries [myself included] in the last three decades. It also has a large number of retired workers [like me] moving to Scotland for a better quality of life.
We could easily take around 250,000 young immigrants a year and they would be very welcome.
May has told Sturgeon that Scotland cannot have a different policy than rUK….makes no sense.

 

[Fade and Die]

People who live in lowly populated poorer areas have a totally different set of problems/opportunities than folk who live in overpopulated rich areas.
Scotland desperately needs immigrant workers to fill the age gap caused by so many of our skilled workers moving on for higher salaries [myself included] in the last three decades. It also has a large number of retired workers [like me] moving to Scotland for a better quality of life.
We could easily take around 250,000 young immigrants a year and they would be very welcome.
May has told Sturgeon that Scotland cannot have a different policy than rUK….makes no sense.

Think that was Mutter Merkels out of touch view of things too. Turned out to be a massive disaster.

 

[IanM]

Aka ... Scottish workers expecting pay rises!

Often wondered why Trade Unions support mass migration of cheap labour. But happy to hear explanation

 

[Hobbit]

Sorry which question - i start to shut off with the long winded posts at the end of the day tbh and the arrogance of the thread and the way people dismiss others based on how they voted is quite poor

It’s quite funny one person complaining about being insulted yet has insulted many people just because they want to remain in the EU.

And it’s great that London is doing so well - truely happy for all those EU citizens in London taking advantage of the financial hub - I guess that’s the same financial hub that helped cause the recession that millions are still paying for.

The collapse of the sub-prime mortgage market in the USA triggered the recession. Add the deregulation of the banks in the U.K. by Gordon Brown and them matching US regs to stay competitive. When the USA banks caught the flu the rest of the world’s banks caught pneumonia.

 

[MegaSteve]

To many jobs, not enough workers...…….is that simple enough for you and others to understand.

Then I suggest Scotland needs to go on a charm offensive... The borough I live in had thirty thousand plus arrive from the EU in the last decade... Guessing we are a whole lot more welcoming than your parts...

 

[Tashyboy]

To many jobs, not enough workers...…….is that simple enough for you and others to understand.

According to stats re unemployment in Scotland.

Unemployment in Scotland at 3.8% 115,000 looking for work.

So in essence, To many workers, not enough jobs.........is that simple enough etc etc etc.

 

[Tashyboy]

According to stats re unemployment in Scotland.

Unemployment in Scotland at 3.8% 115,000 looking for work.

So in essence, To many workers, not enough jobs.........is that simple enough etc etc etc.

Oh ah Doon, ave just read your " we will take 1/4 million migrants a year. They will make the unemployment figures look even better. How's about this for a thought. Find work for the Scottish people that are living on benefits, before you invite more unskilled workers over.

 

[chrisd]

Oh ah Doon, ave just read your " we will take 1/4 million migrants a year. They will make the unemployment figures look even better. How's about this for a thought. Find work for the Scottish people that are living on benefits, before you invite more unskilled workers over.

Trashy, please stop talking sense 👍

 

[bladeplayer]

According to stats re unemployment in Scotland.

Unemployment in Scotland at 3.8% 115,000 looking for work.

So in essence, To many workers, not enough jobs.........is that simple enough etc etc etc.

I can oly speak for ireland here . unemployed and looking for work are very different things
I asked a local politician why in the boomtimes when we employed so many non nationals had we stil got unemployed irish ?
Total truth some just wont work ( but wont b taken off benifits) ?? Why.
Others having bn reared in "an entitled " culture have no education and couldnt hold dowm a job because min it gets tough they wont deal with it

Some (alot) caused by non nationals willing to work for alot less . This problem was created by irish business ppl not the non national workers .

Curious do ye think the uk workers or uk unemployed will take up these low paid often low end jobs . ?
Some might say it will force employers yo raise wages . Higher wages . Higher cost = price increase in product or service .
Thoughts ?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I can oly speak for ireland here . unemployed and looking for work are very different things
I asked a local politician why in the boomtimes when we employed so many non nationals had we stil got unemployed irish ?
Total truth some just wont work ( but wont b taken off benifits) ?? Why.
Others having bn reared in "an entitled " culture have no education and couldnt hold dowm a job because min it gets tough they wont deal with it

Some (alot) caused by non nationals willing to work for alot less . This problem was created by irish business ppl not the non national workers .

Curious do ye think the uk workers or uk unemployed will take up these low paid often low end jobs . ?
Some might say it will force employers yo raise wages . Higher wages . Higher cost = price increase in product or service .
Thoughts ?

We should get tough on the benefits scroungers that don't want to work. If they are fit and able but won't work then stop the benefits.
The problem is, no politician has got the balls to do it.