Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Tashyboy]

The last two posts hit a lot of nails on the head for me. 👍

 

[ger147]

Will be interesting to see what happens next week as apparently TM had assured everyone the vote will deffo take place this time, and it looks as likely as ever her deal will be voted down.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Will be interesting to see what happens next week as apparently TM had assured everyone the vote will deffo take place this time, and it looks as likely as ever her deal will be voted down.

Did she perchance use the same tone in this assurance that she used when she assured us she wouldn't call a General Election...?

 

[Sweep]

I'd respectfully suggest your wrong. In numerous posts I have given reasons why I consider the UK would be better off outside of the EU.

I think you misunderstood my post. My point was that many, many very good reasons for leaving have been outlined by you, me and others over thousands of posts and yet one or two people are stating that they have not seen a single reason why we should leave.

 

[SocketRocket]

Well you can tell you are certainly a Tory boy

So I’ll ask again - before EU grants why were certain areas given no funding to regenerate whilst a lot of funding was given to build London to be a “financial hub” and if we are talking wasting money are the current Tory boys not wasting £56billion building something that has no use to 90% of the country

Is that all youve got ? "Well you can tell you are certainly a Tory boy" Not a very good way of challenging my reply is it, I expected better from you. Oh, and I can assure you I am not a boy.
I won't comment on your second paragraph as #Hobbit has already put you to right there.

 

[ger147]

Did she perchance use the same tone in this assurance that she used when she assured us she wouldn't call a General Election...?

Can't comment on her tone as I didn't hear her speak, I just read what she said.

 

[Sweep]

How about 62% of Scots voted to remain. Every single district of Scotland voted to remain.
The Scottish Parliament with the exception of a handful of far right Tory MSP's voted to oppose the UK Government from dragging the people of Scotland out of the EU.
The UK Government has flatly refused to work with the Scottish Government to find a workable solution for Scots with Brexit. despite doing so with NI and Gibraltar.
And now they insult us by saying we have to work together for the best solution for England and perhaps Wales.
Surprised you do not know these facts already [not]

BTW Re your first question, from this side of the fence exactly the same can be said about cliff face Leavers.

I know. 62% of my street voted to remain as well. We are well fed up. We complained only to be told it was a national vote.

 

[SocketRocket]

Every post you have on both Brexit threads was and is an insult, you were asked politely to refrain but you carried on. Now you think your being insulted when your comments are met with the emojis and same manner of response.

What goes around, comes around. Be impolite, get rudeness in return. Be dismissive, get dismissed. Question someone’s intellect , get called a fool ....

😴

None of the posts I highlighted where you were making insults were directed at me. They were directed at anyone and everyone who held a different opinion to you. I therefore turn around your last paragraph and direct it back at you. I am terse with people being rude and insulting, you however are insultig to anyone who holds a different view to your own. Take a long hard look at yourself, you probably wont like it.

 

[Mudball]

Boris says that most people support no deal..
I am sure now this is as true as his 350m bus

 

[harpo_72]

None of the posts I highlighted where you were making insults were directed at me. They were directed at anyone and everyone who held a different opinion to you. I therefore turn around your last paragraph and direct it back at you. I am terse with people being rude and insulting, you however are insultig to anyone who holds a different view to your own. Take a long hard look at yourself, you probably wont like it.

Same as your posts ... 🤣🤣🤣

 

[harpo_72]

Boris says that most people support no deal..
I am sure now this is as true as his 350m bus

Not sure if it’s his bus, but he stood in front of it ... what other lies is he willing to promote?

 

[ger147]

Boris says that most people support no deal..
I am sure now this is as true as his 350m bus

In a recent YouGov poll, 48% of respondents agreed with the statement "‘Anything less than a clean break from the EU will be a betrayal of the Referendum vote". 35% disagreed and 17% were Don't Know's.

 

[Old Skier]

According to stats re unemployment in Scotland.

Unemployment in Scotland at 3.8% 115,000 looking for work.

So in essence, To many workers, not enough jobs.........is that simple enough etc etc etc.

Come on, you know the "Wings" man doesn't do much in the way of facts.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

According to stats re unemployment in Scotland.

Unemployment in Scotland at 3.8% 115,000 looking for work.

So in essence, To many workers, not enough jobs.........is that simple enough etc etc etc.

When I was desperately seeking seasonal staff in the Loadsamoney boom I was told by the job centre boss that anything under 4% represented full employment.
The 4% was mainly long term sick [I Daniel types], folk waiting whilst switching jobs and other such reasons.

 

[Hacker Khan]

In a recent YouGov poll, 48% of respondents agreed with the statement "‘Anything less than a clean break from the EU will be a betrayal of the Referendum vote". 35% disagreed and 17% were Don't Know's.

Or alternatively on the 4th Jan a You Gov poll found that 34% wanted to leave with a no deal 46% remain in the Eu and 20% don't know. i.e. when they were asked a direct question about a no deal. Not some question that does not specifically mention a no deal but politicians like Boris and others then interpret, extrapolate,lie for their own means. Same old same old with him.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...u-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-3/

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/poll/yougov-4-1-2019/

 

[ger147]

Or alternatively on the 4th Jan a You Gov poll found that 34% wanted to leave with a no deal 46% remain in the Eu and 20% don't know. i.e. when they were asked a direct question about a no deal. Not some question that does not specifically mention a no deal but politicians like Boris and others then interpret, extrapolate,lie for their own means. Same old same old with him.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...u-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-3/

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/poll/yougov-4-1-2019/

There's lots of interesting poll results, many of them contradictory. For example, on the same day as the poll I posted about above, another YouGov poll had 50% of respondents replying that a No Deal exit would be bad for the UK with those saying it would be good in the mid 30's.

It would seem that the current impasse in Westminster may not be that far removed from the views of the general public i.e. no clear majority for any single outcome.

 

[Hobbit]

Or alternatively on the 4th Jan a You Gov poll found that 34% wanted to leave with a no deal 46% remain in the Eu and 20% don't know. i.e. when they were asked a direct question about a no deal. Not some question that does not specifically mention a no deal but politicians like Boris and others then interpret, extrapolate,lie for their own means. Same old same old with him.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...u-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-3/

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/poll/yougov-4-1-2019/

But even the results in your example are open to an element of questioning. For example, would some of the 46% Remain want to leave if an acceptable deal was on the table? And with a voting slip in front of the don't knows, which way would they vote.

I've pondered long and hard on what the right question should be and I just can't come up with an answer. Some Leavers will say no to No Deal, and some Remainers might say Leave if a good deal was on the table. And then you've got what constitutes a good deal or a bad deal.

 

[Hacker Khan]

There's lots of interesting poll results, many of them contradictory. For example, on the same day as the poll I posted about above, another YouGov poll had 50% of respondents replying that a No Deal exit would be bad for the UK with those saying it would be good in the mid 30's.

It would seem that the current impasse in Westminster may not be that far removed from the views of the general public i.e. no clear majority for any single outcome.

Agree, never has and never will be, hence the reason we are in this mess.

 

[MegaSteve]

People who live in lowly populated poorer areas have a totally different set of problems/opportunities than folk who live in overpopulated rich areas.
Scotland desperately needs immigrant workers to fill the age gap caused by so many of our skilled workers moving on for higher salaries [myself included] in the last three decades. It also has a large number of retired workers [like me] moving to Scotland for a better quality of life.
We could easily take around 250,000 young immigrants a year and they would be very welcome.
May has told Sturgeon that Scotland cannot have a different policy than rUK….makes no sense.

How well will Scotland do with providing the necessary additional infrastructure 250,000 new people arriving a year will require? And, will the businesses pay the staff the wages to keep them interested in staying? Lots going home from these parts as wages don't equate with living costs...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see our government is doing a full scale practice run on the ferry blockage route situation with 150 lorries.
If you stood on the shoulder of the M20 and counted lorries passing, how many do you think that would be in 20 minutes.

Utterly clueless, I would imagine some union flag waving UKIP/EDL type would be seeing them off saying 'I counted them all out'.