Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[harpo_72]

Changing the subject... anyone notice the trend among ultra-remainers from -

“An EU army is a fantasy”.

To -

“We could veto an EU army if we wanted to”.

To -

“What’s wrong with an EU army?”

To -

“An EU army is a necessity”.

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No... must be a figment of your newspapers imagination... has Kim got her kit off again?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Have you taken over from Doom and blame Londoners for everything?

I do not think anyone is actually blaming Londeners.
More like blaming successive UK's governments for unfair distribution of the UK's wealth to SE England.

 

[Hobbit]

Changing the subject... anyone notice the trend among ultra-remainers from -

“An EU army is a fantasy”.

To -

“We could veto an EU army if we wanted to”.

To -

“What’s wrong with an EU army?”

To -

“An EU army is a necessity”.

🤨

I do find it incredibly sad that the Union that was set up not long after WW2 and included the tag of furthering peace, and won the Nobel prize for peace in 2012, sees the need for an army. It’s a betrayal of one of its founding concepts.

That aside, I’m inclined to laugh out loud at the thought of the EU wanting an army. When you consider that the EU has been deploying armed forces around the world for decades. Surely, semantics aside, the EU already has an army.

A quick look at the EU Defence and Security policy, and where armed forces have been deployed... EU citizens have been sleepwalked into it for decades.

If a country has a trade agreement with the EU it can ask for military support for defence. Hell, there’s even EU troops in Indonesia at present.

 

[IanM]

No... must be a figment of your newspapers imagination... has Kim got her kit off again?

I wish the old thread was still here to show you This one probably stated at point two!

But liking the “the only argument I’ve got is to blame a newspaper he doesn’t read!” That only leaves you calling me racist and uneducated.

 

[Fade and Die]

The point as you have already stated which these muppets can not grasp is the EU re distributes without political motivations... unlike any of our governments red or blue.

A number of remainers have based their criticism of the Brexit vote on the perceived stupidity of many voters. If only, some wail, these disgusting plebs were as clever as me...... then we would still be in the EU!


Basically, some people’s idea of democracy appears to be “everyone is entitled to a vote so long as they agree with me because I’m so much cleverer than the average lumpen prole.”

 

[harpo_72]

I wish the old thread was still here to show you This one probably stated at point two!

But liking the “the only argument I’ve got is to blame a newspaper he doesn’t read!” That only leaves you calling me racist and uneducated.

I indicated the source of your comments I did not comment on whether your a racist or uneducated ... you jumped to that conclusion 😂

 

[harpo_72]

A number of remainers have based their criticism of the Brexit vote on the perceived stupidity of many voters. If only, some wail, these disgusting plebs were as clever as me...... then we would still be in the EU!


Basically, some people’s idea of democracy appears to be “everyone is entitled to a vote so long as they agree with me because I’m so much cleverer than the average lumpen prole.”

To be honest your see a number of leavers on here try and make that argument about the remainers... ( some pretty self superior posts, and emojis . which is now being returned 🤣) but as time goes by and the arguments try to get bottomed out it becomes evident that there are no credible answers and a generic response of “your scaremongering”.. is a sign of not having a capacity to argue a point.

 

[SocketRocket]

No... must be a figment of your newspapers imagination... has Kim got her kit off again?

Another insult.

 

[SocketRocket]

To be honest your see a number of leavers on here try and make that argument about the remainers... ( some pretty self superior posts, and emojis . which is now being returned 🤣) but as time goes by and the arguments try to get bottomed out it becomes evident that there are no credible answers and a generic response of “your scaremongering”.. is a sign of not having a capacity to argue a point.

And another insult.

 

[IanM]

I indicated the source of your comments I did not comment on whether your a racist or uneducated ... you jumped to that conclusion 😂

Read what is there.... I didn’t say you did, but it traditionally follows. If you disagree, it has to be from the Mail eh?

And are you actually claiming that when an impending a eu army was mentioned in the Referendum, none of the themes I’ve mentioned were in the Remain Press...heck we’ve had most of them on here

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Read and understand what is written Doon. My first paragraph wasn't a question. It was a statement which was proven true by your response. All I have been asking for is for remainers to provide some facts relating mid/long term effects of REMAINING - not speculation of what MIGHT/COULD happen when we leave. I want to hear positives about remaining - not negatives about leaving.

Re the rest of your waffle, Hobbit basically covered what you wrote in 12 words.

Do you want a deep fried battered Mars Bar with that chip?

Long term effects of remaining? Ploughing billions of our hard earned pounds into propping up bankrupt countries. No thanks!

 

[MegaSteve]

I do not think anyone is actually blaming Londeners.
More like blaming successive UK's governments for unfair distribution of the UK's wealth to SE England.

Well, your posts often come across as all the blame lies with Londoners...

'Ordinary' Londoners have faired badly during the period of our EU membership... Businesses have used policies and mechanisms put in place by Brussels to facilitate good jobs to be moved elsewhere... To be replaced with minimum wage (zero hours) work in hospitality, retail, warehousing and distribution...

Guessing you've never had to watch good mates go down the road then see the kit and caboodle they operated being containerised up and shipped abroad for others to benefit...

 

[MegaSteve]

And my life has been fine being part of the EU and believe their rights for workers and human rights have been very good for us

Unfortunately many are being denied these 'rights' by the same businesses that tell us how good membership is for us... For example the plumber fella that funded Ms Miller...

And, 'rights' are not 'gifted' by goverment/bureaucracy they've generally had to be fought for by groups like the 'Dagenham ladies'...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well, your posts often come across as all the blame lies with Londoners...

'Ordinary' Londoners have faired badly during the period of our EU membership... Businesses have used policies and mechanisms put in place by Brussels to facilitate good jobs to be moved elsewhere... To be replaced with minimum wage (zero hours) work in hospitality, retail, warehousing and distribution...

Guessing you've never had to watch good mates go down the road then see the kit and caboodle they operated being containerised up and shipped abroad for others to benefit...

Is that not the same point, a balance.....Scotland has faired well under the EU funding, SE England hasn't, boo hoo.
Do you not think that the EU system is built around lifting up the poorer regions/countries towards the equal status of the richer regions/countries..

Thanks to the Tories beef with the GLC leading to the introduction of competitive tendering to local authorities I was responsible for writing a tender so 40+ staff would stay in a job that they all did wonderfully well. So well that they made an average of around £250,000 a year profit over 10/12 years for my council. Does that count on the workers sympathy scale.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Read what is there.... I didn’t say you did, but it traditionally follows. If you disagree, it has to be from the Mail eh?

And are you actually claiming that when an impending a eu army was mentioned in the Referendum, none of the themes I’ve mentioned were in the Remain Press...heck we’ve had most of them on here

I for one would love to know which English newspapers are in the 'remain' press and which are in the leave camp.

Is it as bad as Scotland where all but one newspaper is 'staunchly' anti independent whereas nearly half the country are pro.
[mind you only the auld yins read papers anymore ]

 

[Fade and Die]

Well, your posts often come across as all the blame lies with Londoners...

'Ordinary' Londoners have faired badly during the period of our EU membership... Businesses have used policies and mechanisms put in place by Brussels to facilitate good jobs to be moved elsewhere... To be replaced with minimum wage (zero hours) work in hospitality, retail, warehousing and distribution...

Guessing you've never had to watch good mates go down the road then see the kit and caboodle they operated being containerised up and shipped abroad for others to benefit...

Add to that the virtual wiping out of the construction industry as a job option for English lads (and lasses) in the SE because of a massive influx of cheap eu labour.... Also can’t remember the last time I met an English delivery driver or taxi driver.

 

[MegaSteve]

Is that not the same point, a balance.....Scotland has faired well under the EU funding, SE England hasn't, boo hoo.
Do you not think that the EU system is built around lifting up the poorer regions/countries towards the equal status of the richer regions/countries..

Thanks to the Tories beef with the GLC leading to the introduction of competitive tendering to local authorities I was responsible for writing a tender so 40+ staff would stay in a job that they all did wonderfully well. So well that they made an average of around £250,000 a year profit over 10/12 years for my council. Does that count on the workers sympathy scale.

My point is not about funding but the stripping of employment opportunities for 'ordinary' Londoners... Many industrial areas of the UK have not fared well under social engineering policies from Brussels.. No surprise it was many of those regions that voted leave... Particularly those that didn't benefit from the additional funding Scotland received you boast about...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Add to that the virtual wiping out of the construction industry as a job option for English lads (and lasses) in the SE because of a massive influx of cheap eu labour.... Also can’t remember the last time I met an English delivery driver or taxi driver.

Scots construction industry seems to be booming, I think they are having trouble finding skilled staff. In fact I think most industries are having trouble finding staff thanks to UKIP and their buddies.
Perhaps the English lads and lassies need to get on their bikes. Added benefits are much cheaper housing, probable difficulty would be a disparity on wages, I wonder why?

 

[harpo_72]

And another insult.

Every post you have on both Brexit threads was and is an insult, you were asked politely to refrain but you carried on. Now you think your being insulted when your comments are met with the emojis and same manner of response.

What goes around, comes around. Be impolite, get rudeness in return. Be dismissive, get dismissed. Question someone’s intellect , get called a fool ....

😴

 

[MegaSteve]

Scots construction industry seems to be booming, I think they are having trouble finding skilled staff. In fact I think most industries are having trouble finding staff thanks to UKIP and their buddies.
Perhaps the English lads and lassies need to get on their bikes. Added benefits are much cheaper housing, probable difficulty would be a disparity on wages, I wonder why?

You need to be a good dog and drop the UKIP bone... The EU supporting businesses need to shoulder much of the blame for lack of skilled labour.. As they have, for too long, taken the easy option of importing workers rather than invest in training 'local' folk.. However, I am prepared to admit, they now seem to be reversing this stance... Which should be seen as a positive for Brexit... For too long second and third generation kids of our commonwealth communities have been placed on ignore by employers...