SocketRocket
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Scotland reject leaving the UK in a referendum.
The UK which includes scotland votes to leave the EU in a referendum.
Keep up Doon, you seem to be struggling to follow the reality of Brexit.
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The UK which includes scotland votes to leave the EU in a referendum.
Keep up Doon, you seem to be struggling to follow the reality of Brexit.
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And the Doon once again ignores the fact that by gaining independence Scotland would have left the EU. Something those in the SNP forget along with the fact that the SNP used to campaign on leaving the EU.
don't confuse him with facts
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He pretends to have blocked me so he won't see it
Doon frae Troon
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Really, I would be interested to know what you blame them for...……….not doing what we say is a non counter.
I think they have gone out of there way to help the UK, once they stopped laughing at Davis and Mays demands.
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Like you Doon they have hidden agenda, theirs is to use Brexit as a tool towards their real objective of breaking away from the UK. Yours is to promote closet racism against the English.
So now you know.
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Read and understand what is written Doon. My first paragraph wasn't a question. It was a statement which was proven true by your response. All I have been asking for is for remainers to provide some facts relating mid/long term effects of REMAINING - not speculation of what MIGHT/COULD happen when we leave. I want to hear positives about remaining - not negatives about leaving.
Re the rest of your waffle, Hobbit basically covered what you wrote in 12 words.
Do you want a deep fried battered Mars Bar with that chip?
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It was a referendum where 1 person equals 1 vote. It doesn't matter that some areas of the UK voted differently to others.
Remind me how many people does your 62% represent that you think they should swing the outcome?
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UK is not a sole country, it's a complex Union of 2 kingdoms, a principality and a province. Any leader of the so called Conservative and Unionist party should have had the wherewithall to manage a delicate Union accordingly but Mr Cameron chose not to and we find ourselves where we are, nationalism in England and Scotland on the rise, NI unionists being sold out by May after being bought by May. Read the last dozen posts and you'll see the real nationalism from the Farage fan club. Just repeatedly bleating that EU ref was a UK vote is true but oversimplifies something very complex that is the UK. There are plenty leavers up here too so having a pop at Scots as a reason for Brexit stalling is daft, yes we get outvoted every time so we have literally had no say as part of UK, we didn't vote for Camerons Tories in 2015 - they got 1 sole Tory MP in commons then and we didn't vote for Brexit and we were also assured in 2014 the only way to stay in the EU was to remain in the UK. We have our own voice withing the UK with a devolved parliament, a Union of countries should at lest listen to it's component areas, no matter the population size differences between those component areas, not just ignore, that's not a Union. Cameron was weak and May is plain hapless. Very worrying times so if people want to voice concerns and not just agree with a very small majority on the EU and a govt still with no coherent plan for life outside the EU 2.5 years after a vote, so be it. Ganging up on one poster who disagrees then getting the little anti Scot insults in makes unpleasant reading and reminds me why I try and avoid this poisonous thread and evermore so this forum. Just saying.
UK is not a sole country, it's a complex Union of 2 kingdoms, a principality and a province. Any leader of the so called Conservative and Unionist party should have had the wherewithall to manage a delicate Union accordingly but Mr Cameron chose not to and we find ourselves where we are, nationalism in England and Scotland on the rise, NI unionists being sold out by May after being bought by May. Read the last dozen posts and you'll see the real nationalism from the Farage fan club. Just repeatedly bleating that EU ref was a UK vote is true but oversimplifies something very complex that is the UK. There are plenty leavers up here too so having a pop at Scots as a reason for Brexit stalling is daft, yes we get outvoted every time so we have literally had no say as part of UK, we didn't vote for Camerons Tories in 2015 - they got 1 sole Tory MP in commons then and we didn't vote for Brexit and we were also assured in 2014 the only way to stay in the EU was to remain in the UK. We have our own voice withing the UK with a devolved parliament, a Union of countries should at lest listen to it's component areas, no matter the population size differences between those component areas, not just ignore, that's not a Union. Cameron was weak and May is plain hapless. Very worrying times so if people want to voice concerns and not just agree with a very small majority on the EU and a govt still with no coherent plan for life outside the EU 2.5 years after a vote, so be it. Ganging up on one poster who disagrees then getting the little anti Scot insults in makes unpleasant reading and reminds me why I try and avoid this poisonous thread and evermore so this forum. Just saying.
I don't think that saying it was a UK wide vote oversimplifies it. Thats exactly what it was. I'd suggest you're overcomplicating it. There were no constituency, regional or country bloc votes. I'd say Sturgeon has made it something it isn't/wasn't, and in continually repeating it has ingrained that into people's psyche.
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UK is not a sole country, it's a complex Union of 2 kingdoms, a principality and a province. Any leader of the so called Conservative and Unionist party should have had the wherewithall to manage a delicate Union accordingly but Mr Cameron chose not to and we find ourselves where we are, nationalism in England and Scotland on the rise, NI unionists being sold out by May after being bought by May. Read the last dozen posts and you'll see the real nationalism from the Farage fan club. Just repeatedly bleating that EU ref was a UK vote is true but oversimplifies something very complex that is the UK. There are plenty leavers up here too so having a pop at Scots as a reason for Brexit stalling is daft, yes we get outvoted every time so we have literally had no say as part of UK, we didn't vote for Camerons Tories in 2015 - they got 1 sole Tory MP in commons then and we didn't vote for Brexit and we were also assured in 2014 the only way to stay in the EU was to remain in the UK. We have our own voice withing the UK with a devolved parliament, a Union of countries should at lest listen to it's component areas, no matter the population size differences between those component areas, not just ignore, that's not a Union. Cameron was weak and May is plain hapless. Very worrying times so if people want to voice concerns and not just agree with a very small majority on the EU and a govt still with no coherent plan for life outside the EU 2.5 years after a vote, so be it. Ganging up on one poster who disagrees then getting the little anti Scot insults in makes unpleasant reading and reminds me why I try and avoid this poisonous thread and evermore so this forum. Just saying.
I am aware of the UK's history!!
You're off on a tangent. I was not "ganging up" on DfT, my argument is that, unless you believe an individual's vote should be 'worth' more by the mere fact of geography, a Referendum is based on the principle of a simple majority decision of those entitled to vote. Do you have a better equitable idea?
If you are of the belief that Scotland's voters are worth more than 1:1 I'd be interested as to why. As a country Scots were allowed and voted to stay within the Union - despite being a resident of the same Union I did not get that right!
I had to accept the Scottish independence result, perhaps you might accept that the relatively small population of Scotland voted alongside the rest of us in a 'fair' process.
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Trying to integrate us into a federal super state and denying us our independance.
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?!? Are you and the UK not independent then ? Since when ?
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Where are these anti Scots comments. Suggesting Sturgeon is using Brexit as a tool to support Scottish independence is not anti Scottish, that would be like you complaining about May and being called anti English.UK is not a sole country, it's a complex Union of 2 kingdoms, a principality and a province. Any leader of the so called Conservative and Unionist party should have had the wherewithall to manage a delicate Union accordingly but Mr Cameron chose not to and we find ourselves where we are, nationalism in England and Scotland on the rise, NI unionists being sold out by May after being bought by May. Read the last dozen posts and you'll see the real nationalism from the Farage fan club. Just repeatedly bleating that EU ref was a UK vote is true but oversimplifies something very complex that is the UK. There are plenty leavers up here too so having a pop at Scots as a reason for Brexit stalling is daft, yes we get outvoted every time so we have literally had no say as part of UK, we didn't vote for Camerons Tories in 2015 - they got 1 sole Tory MP in commons then and we didn't vote for Brexit and we were also assured in 2014 the only way to stay in the EU was to remain in the UK. We have our own voice withing the UK with a devolved parliament, a Union of countries should at lest listen to it's component areas, no matter the population size differences between those component areas, not just ignore, that's not a Union. Cameron was weak and May is plain hapless. Very worrying times so if people want to voice concerns and not just agree with a very small majority on the EU and a govt still with no coherent plan for life outside the EU 2.5 years after a vote, so be it. Ganging up on one poster who disagrees then getting the little anti Scot insults in makes unpleasant reading and reminds me why I try and avoid this poisonous thread and evermore so this forum. Just saying.
Your argument on the way Scots voted in the referendum is flawed and if you clear your mind of prejudice then you will see it.
The poster you suggest is being ganged up on is a Soft Troll and continually posting anti English comments and trying to provoke people into arguments. Again I am amazed you can't see that. Would you be so defensive if he was not Scottish?
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The UK is not truly independant, how can it be when so many of our rules and regulations emanate from Brussels?
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UK is not a sole country, it's a complex Union of 2 kingdoms, a principality and a province. Any leader of the so called Conservative and Unionist party should have had the wherewithall to manage a delicate Union accordingly but Mr Cameron chose not to and we find ourselves where we are, nationalism in England and Scotland on the rise, NI unionists being sold out by May after being bought by May. Read the last dozen posts and you'll see the real nationalism from the Farage fan club. Just repeatedly bleating that EU ref was a UK vote is true but oversimplifies something very complex that is the UK. There are plenty leavers up here too so having a pop at Scots as a reason for Brexit stalling is daft, yes we get outvoted every time so we have literally had no say as part of UK, we didn't vote for Camerons Tories in 2015 - they got 1 sole Tory MP in commons then and we didn't vote for Brexit and we were also assured in 2014 the only way to stay in the EU was to remain in the UK. We have our own voice withing the UK with a devolved parliament, a Union of countries should at lest listen to it's component areas, no matter the population size differences between those component areas, not just ignore, that's not a Union. Cameron was weak and May is plain hapless. Very worrying times so if people want to voice concerns and not just agree with a very small majority on the EU and a govt still with no coherent plan for life outside the EU 2.5 years after a vote, so be it. Ganging up on one poster who disagrees then getting the little anti Scot insults in makes unpleasant reading and reminds me why I try and avoid this poisonous thread and evermore so this forum. Just saying.
Why do those that live above Hadrians wall have such little knowledge on the make of the U.K. Wales, like Scotland is a country in its own right. Even Doon, who claims to have Welsh blood in him can't get it right.
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Do you mean rules and regulations that protect us as human beings - yep happy with that 👠unless there is some rule you aren’t happy with ?
I certainly feel independent, have a voice , have a vote , we make our own laws to live by.
Is any country really every “truely independent “ - will always be some sort of regulation that all need to follow
In the last 20 years there's been just over 4,200 EU laws implemented into UK law. The UK, your parliament, has opposed 13% to them = 530+. The UK government, on your behalf, opposed 530+, in the European court, and lost 82% of those cases = 434 laws implemented that the UK government, acting on your behalf, didn't want.
Number 1 daughter was part of a team of barristers that has written a number of the laws that are now on the statute books, e.g. car scrappage scheme & Post Office sell off. In each and every case she will have spent time in Brussels ensuring that the laws her team were writing complied with EU laws. No member state writes its own laws in isolation, i.e. they must comply with EU laws. So which is the higher court of law? Can the UK truly pass its own laws?
Its one thing complying with manufacturing laws and standards, the UK has been doing that for different standards around the world for donkey's years, e.g. manufacturing laws in America. You can't export to America if your product doesn't comply with U.S. laws. But there's are differences between criminal law, civil law and manufacturing laws. And its in criminal and civil laws were there's always been some areas of difference and conflict.
"Laws that protect you" Do you think that the EU courts are right to step in when your government, through the UK courts, wants to deport a terrorist, and the EU stops that deportation?
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