Slime
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No deal wouldn't upset me one little bit.
Oh, and it's not for me to sort out, unfortunately.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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No deal wouldn't upset me one little bit.
Oh, and it's not for me to sort out, unfortunately.
SocketRocket
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I see you are still struggling to comprehend the data supplied to you, let me give you a little more;although I sense an iformation overload brewing in your celebrial eggbox Now this may come as a surprise to you but Leavers do want the same thing and that's to Leave the EU. There you go, now you know and I do understand this may be lightbulb moment for you but give it a little time, lay down in a darkened room and hopefully you will recover before it pops out the other ear.
Hope you're keeping up. The deal we want happens to be the one that achieves our objective so we can get on with being an independent country. Still with us? The type of withdrawal agreement used to get us out is not up to us, thats the job of Parliament so maybe you could address your comment to them. I fully understand if the reality filters are still denying you comprehension,
Foxholer
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Well, given that Rees-Mogg and the PM have significantly different 'definitions' of what 'Leaving the EU' will actually involve, it's not unreasonable for those who decide to criticise the process/participants to actually have considerable ammunition!
It seems to me that 'leaving it to Parliament' is an entirely unsatisfactory 'solution'. The parliamentary bosses seem to have only been able to negotiate a 'leave' that could well still entrap the UK in the whims of the EU. And as a significant number, perhaps even a majority, of parliament wish to remain, I'm dubious about whether 'leaving it to Parliament' is actually a good idea!
Btw. I'm pretty sure your views would be given more credence by Remainers if they a) had a better description/definition of such things as 'to Leave the EU' and b) contained significantly less condescension/insults like the quoted post (frustrating as some replies may be!)! I'm pretty sure you are actually capable of doing both in the same way that both DRDel and Hobbit do! If not, kindly leave the replies to them!
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Are you suggesting that all who voted Remain did so for the same reason and wanted the status quo maintained?
No, they didn't.
I voted Remain but I know my desired future direction of the UK in Europe was very different to many others.
Certainly wanted no part of a Federal Europe.
SocketRocket
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Oh I have given reasoned responses many times but it gets rather onerous when the same questions are regurgitated ad infanitem.
Maybe if I took a leaf from your book and called it 'Twaddle' 😉
Just watch the Italians do what? What sort of answer is that? Not “deep and meaningful†that’s for sure.
They have reiterated their defiance of EU instructions, even though their proposed budget, 2.4%, is within the 3.0% limit. The EU is set to issue fines on a country that is operating within fiscal limits.
France has proposed budget of 2.8% yet the EU haven’t said a dicky bird.
harpo_72
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Senior moment ?
harpo_72
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There is a game at play ... just watch
harpo_72
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I am aware of the different arguments for remain, they are very accessible and all quite well known...
We don’t have a united leave or a strategy apart from I am upset, I want to leave ...ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜... leaving them open to ridicule
Now you're just talking rubbish. You quote WTO rules as being misunderstood by many Leavers then give a wink and nod as though you have insider knowledge about the EU fiscal rules being twisted by the EU. Come on, be honest, you haven't got a clue whats going on with the EU budgeting. Game at play....
you've been caught out on something you don't know and are playing word games. Mate, you're making yourself look foolish on this one.
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But whichever path had been chosen in 2016 those from the other side could ridicule the victors for lack of clarity.
Hardly constructive but then I haven't seen much constructive comment throughout.
One side offering dreams and the other preaching fear.
Paperboy
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My friend at work an Italian, says if they where given a vote to leave the EU. It would go through quite comfortably lots of disillusioned folk in Italy by all accounts.
SocketRocket
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Hope you don't get too many of them old boy
Worrying numbers but, equally, where's the big numbers that were forecast to have happened already....? Announced recently is the EU member state banks that are setting up offices in the UK so they can trade there. I do wonder what the net figure will be?
630 finance jobs relocated since Brexit vote, survey finds
By Aubrey Allegretti, political reporter
Around 630 finance jobs have been relocated out of Britain since the Brexit vote - significantly lower than banks warned - according to a survey.
The companies said they were hoping for a last-minute political deal that would save access to the EU's £14.9tn-a-year economy.
But in the run up to Brexit day, banks cautioned that under a "hard" divorce settlement around 5,800 would move out of the UK.
The findings come in a survey by Reuters of financial institutions based in Britain.
Many business chiefs fear Britain could be heading for a chaotic split that would spook financial markets and dislocate trade flows across Europe and beyond.
Some politicians on both sides of negotiations put the odds of talks collapsing at more than 50%.
But some forecasts on job losses have ranged from extremes.
The Brussels-based Bruegel research group claimed in February 2017 that 30,000 roles could move abroad under a hard Brexit.
While the London Stock Exchange warned the previous month the figure could be 232,000.
That is 500 more than the last survey, carried out in March, but 5,000 less than the first survey in September 2017.
Results were based on answers from 134 of the biggest or most internationally-focused banks, insurers, asset managers, private equity firms and exchanges to a survey conducted by between 1 August and 15 September.
HSBC, which has publicly said up to 1,000 jobs could move to Paris, has so far not moved any staff, a source at the bank said as part of the survey.
Royal Bank of Scotland, which expects to move 150 to Amsterdam, also has not moved any employees, an RBS source said.
Goldman Sachs, which has taken a new office in Frankfurt and plans to move 500 people to Europe, has only moved or hired about 100 so far.
JP Morgan, which has publicly said up to 4,000 jobs could move, said recently in a staff memorandum it has only asked "several dozen" staff to move.
Iain Anderson, the executive chairman of Cicero, a public affairs company, which represents many finance companies, said the impact of Brexit was likely to be much more modest than initially predicted.
He said early estimates were made by executives in a period of unprecedented emotional turmoil following the vote, adding: "They have now moved through the five stages of grief."
Source: Sky News
630 finance jobs relocated since Brexit vote, survey finds
By Aubrey Allegretti, political reporter
Around 630 finance jobs have been relocated out of Britain since the Brexit vote - significantly lower than banks warned - according to a survey.
The companies said they were hoping for a last-minute political deal that would save access to the EU's £14.9tn-a-year economy.
But in the run up to Brexit day, banks cautioned that under a "hard" divorce settlement around 5,800 would move out of the UK.
The findings come in a survey by Reuters of financial institutions based in Britain.
Many business chiefs fear Britain could be heading for a chaotic split that would spook financial markets and dislocate trade flows across Europe and beyond.
Some politicians on both sides of negotiations put the odds of talks collapsing at more than 50%.
But some forecasts on job losses have ranged from extremes.
The Brussels-based Bruegel research group claimed in February 2017 that 30,000 roles could move abroad under a hard Brexit.
While the London Stock Exchange warned the previous month the figure could be 232,000.
That is 500 more than the last survey, carried out in March, but 5,000 less than the first survey in September 2017.
Results were based on answers from 134 of the biggest or most internationally-focused banks, insurers, asset managers, private equity firms and exchanges to a survey conducted by between 1 August and 15 September.
HSBC, which has publicly said up to 1,000 jobs could move to Paris, has so far not moved any staff, a source at the bank said as part of the survey.
Royal Bank of Scotland, which expects to move 150 to Amsterdam, also has not moved any employees, an RBS source said.
Goldman Sachs, which has taken a new office in Frankfurt and plans to move 500 people to Europe, has only moved or hired about 100 so far.
JP Morgan, which has publicly said up to 4,000 jobs could move, said recently in a staff memorandum it has only asked "several dozen" staff to move.
Iain Anderson, the executive chairman of Cicero, a public affairs company, which represents many finance companies, said the impact of Brexit was likely to be much more modest than initially predicted.
He said early estimates were made by executives in a period of unprecedented emotional turmoil following the vote, adding: "They have now moved through the five stages of grief."
Source: Sky News
bladeplayer
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Maybe I'm over simplifying this but with all the heated discussions re what will or won't happen , the scaremongering the uncertainty surely when brexit was going to be voted on the government in favour of it or not , had a right no , obligation to investigate & provide that facts of what will happen good and bad , their plan to make the bad better and make the good great .. They seem to have failed totally on this ..
How was this an honest vote or a safe vote or Even a legal vote when hardly anyone knew what they were actually voting for .?
How was this an honest vote or a safe vote or Even a legal vote when hardly anyone knew what they were actually voting for .?
Good point Bill. In theory, the voters should have had all the facts prior to the (first) vote. Following on from that you'd hope that the political parties would recognise what had just happened, i.e. the result of the vote, and behave in a manner that is seen as being for the good of the country... The rest is, as they say, history.
Oh how I wish we had politicians like John Smith, Tony Benn, Portillo and the brighter of the Milibands. I can only see things getting worse as all parties climb for the holy grail and the, supposed, higher moral ground.
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How can anyone provide certain facts about what will happen in the future? Although your scenario based question is hugely valid. Plenty of that has been flying around, but it is pretty tough to find anything objective. (esp if you are an agency taking EU cash! ooops)
I've said for ages that we were voting for remain in an increasingly federal EU or leave it. That was absolutely certain...so its about sovereignty, not just trade!! I am getting increasingly comfortable with my position as the losing side are keen to speculate on economic disaster and choose to ignore perfectly clear Federal Posturing from the EU Leaders.... I even posted a video of one such speech recently and it passed without comment.... maybe the hardcore remainers on here have blocked me!
I've said for ages that we were voting for remain in an increasingly federal EU or leave it. That was absolutely certain...so its about sovereignty, not just trade!! I am getting increasingly comfortable with my position as the losing side are keen to speculate on economic disaster and choose to ignore perfectly clear Federal Posturing from the EU Leaders.... I even posted a video of one such speech recently and it passed without comment.... maybe the hardcore remainers on here have blocked me!
How can anyone provide certain facts about what will happen in the future? Although your scenario based question is hugely valid. Plenty of that has been flying around, but it is pretty tough to find anything objective. (esp if you are an agency taking EU cash! ooops)
I've said for ages that we were voting for remain in an increasingly federal EU or leave it. That was absolutely certain...….I am getting increasingly comfortable with my position as the losing side are keen to speculate on economic disaster and choose to ignore perfectly clear Federal Posturing from the EU Leaders.... I even posted a video of one such speech recently and it passed without comment.... maybe the hardcore remainers on here have blocked me!
"Increasingly federal EU..."
Whilst looking for the EU's own popularity survey results from last week I find a little publicised piece about a (supreme) EU prosecutor that is on Juncker's wishlist for 2019. A proposed new position. The EU prosecutor will be the top dog in every country's judiciary, just as the proposed EU chancellor will be the MD to every country's chancellor. "Creeping federalism?" Its bloody galloping along.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Just saying that the company could have been saved if the government had wanted to do so and in doing so could have avoided the mess that Carillion and it's employees, suppliers and partners are suffering. I'm not trying to excuse Carillion of bad or malpractice.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I've had it for two and a half years and just heartily sick to the teeth of it - but I'm not going to stop doing whatever I can to prevent happening something that I feel will be severely damaging to the future lives and prospects of my children as well as damaging to the UK and UK society as a whole.
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