Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Foxholer]

The scaremongering continues, ques at Dover for 6 months, bodies not being collected from the morgue. What next ? Quicker this deal gets voted down and May is forced to resign the better, get somebody with a bit of backbone in, leave on WTO terms, uncertainty in the short term but save 39 billion and become more competitive and open up the rest of the world for trade. The EU is a disgrace, the Soviet union collapsed, so will the EU eventually

That won't achieve anything like what you seem to want! And it's likely to cost more than the 39Billion you mention - which is still likely need to be paid anyway!

Can you sctually name a country that UK is prevented from trading with by EU rules (save the likes of those subject to international sanctions for money laundering etc). UK can (and does!) still trade with countries without specific Trade Agreements with EU - Aus and NZ for example!

 

[jp5]

Isn’t it strange that it appears to only be Remainers who say no one knew what people were voting for.

I expect most leave voters knew what they were voting for. Unfortunately, it wasn't necessarily the same as all the other leave voters! Hence why two and a half years on, we're no closer to a resolution.

 

[Hobbit]

I expect most leave voters knew what they were voting for. Unfortunately, it wasn't necessarily the same as all the other leave voters! Hence why two and a half years on, we're no closer to a resolution.

I agree. Much like a GE, most have an idea what they are voting for, but few will be bothered with all the details.

 

[SocketRocket]

Not sure why anything Cameron said is of relevance now? He decided to no longer be in charge of the country.

His forecasts for the economic effects of a leave vote were wrong, so don't expect his views on leaving to be right either.

The point is he was the Prime Minister and telling us whatever the result of the referendum it would be honoured, no second referendums, no ifs no butts, out.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Right. I'm in a sensitive state so I'm going to just say it.

It's people like you, on both sides of the debate, who are responsible for the deep divisions in society currently. You offer nothing but cheap snide digs, hoping to provoke a response.

Sorry if I have offended you but do you expect me to twiddle my fingers whilst half of the Tory party [probably a third now] take the UK off the edge of a cliff.
I have offered plenty of advice on what should have happen, it is just probably advice that you disagree with.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I expect most leave voters knew what they were voting for. Unfortunately, it wasn't necessarily the same as all the other leave voters! Hence why two and a half years on, we're no closer to a resolution.

Think that's nailed it. There's also an issue over if leaving the EU will sort out some of the issues that were a main driver behind why some people voted to leave. Or indeed staying in would keep the perceived benefits the remainers were liking. And that's before you factor in that various forms of Brexit will sort some out for some and not for others.

I expect we'll end up going to either of the extremes on both sides, hard Brexit or a 2nd referendum. As politics seems increasingly to be about extremes and less and less about compromise.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Sorry if I have offended you but do you expect me to twiddle my fingers whilst half of the Tory party [probably a third now] take the UK off the edge of a cliff.
I have offered plenty of advice on what should have happen, it is just probably advice that you disagree with.

There is a very strong argument that Labour, whilst not being totally as culpable, are also playing fantasy delusional unicorn politics at the moment with Corbyn's alternatives. And they have shown very little real opposition in the whole process. After all, we have a government at war with itself and I know I've said it before, but as a chair of governors, if I let the our governing board behave as the government is behaving, we'd be in special measures. But they are still ahead in the polls.

A pox on both their houses as slick Willy once said.

 

[Sweep]

That won't achieve anything like what you seem to want! And it's likely to cost more than the 39Billion you mention - which is still likely need to be paid anyway!

Can you sctually name a country that UK is prevented from trading with by EU rules (save the likes of those subject to international sanctions for money laundering etc). UK can (and does!) still trade with countries without specific Trade Agreements with EU - Aus and NZ for example!

The operative words “by EU rules”

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Spot on..... I shall donate £5 to my local hospice if anyone on here can give a coherent description of Labour's position on Brexit.

 

[Sweep]

Sorry if I have offended you but do you expect me to twiddle my fingers whilst half of the Tory party [probably a third now] take the UK off the edge of a cliff.
I have offered plenty of advice on what should have happen, it is just probably advice that you disagree with.

Perhaps you should consider how making cheap snide digs contributes to resolving the issue.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Perhaps you should consider how making cheap snide digs contributes to resolving the issue.

Errr emm….. perhaps by folk realising that by voting leave they have made a serious error of judgement influenced by the lies spread by the MSM and right wing politicians and that if we press the reset button things would be massively better.

 

[Hacker Khan]

The operative words “by EU rules”

Well yes because the question was if there are any countries that we can not trade with because we are in the EU. Where you adhere to EU rules. Which may or may not prevent us from trading with other countries. Hence the question. As it does not make sense saying you want to leave the EU so you can open up the rest of the world to trade with if the EU does not stop you doing that in the first place.

 

[Hobbit]

Well yes because the question was if there are any countries that we can not trade with because we are in the EU. Where you adhere to EU rules. Which may or may not prevent us from trading with other countries. Hence the question. As it does not make sense saying you want to leave the EU so you can open up the rest of the world to trade with if the EU does not stop you doing that in the first place.

Sort of, yes there are countries an EU country can't trade with. You may well be able to buy xx products at favourable rates UNTIL you've imported your quota from that country. And a number of countries also 'suffer' high tariff rates. The EU, especially Germany, has also fallen foul of WTO rules on a number of occasions for unfair trading.

 

[SocketRocket]

Well yes because the question was if there are any countries that we can not trade with because we are in the EU. Where you adhere to EU rules. Which may or may not prevent us from trading with other countries. Hence the question. As it does not make sense saying you want to leave the EU so you can open up the rest of the world to trade with if the EU does not stop you doing that in the first place.

The operative words "By EU rules"

 

[SocketRocket]

Errr emm….. perhaps by folk realising that by voting leave they have made a serious error of judgement influenced by the lies spread by the MSM and right wing politicians and that if we press the reset button things would be massively better.

You can't help yourself. The smiley fools no one by the way

 

[SocketRocket]

Spot on..... I shall donate £5 to my local hospice if anyone on here can give a coherent description of Labour's position on Brexit.

SELF edifying

 

[Slime]

The previous result reflected what people thought. Why have another one?

Because the Remainers are stamping their feet because they're bad losers.

 

[Slime]

Sorry if I have offended you but do you expect me to twiddle my fingers whilst half of the Tory party [probably a third now] take the UK off the edge of a cliff.
I have offered plenty of advice on what should have happen, it is just probably advice that you disagree with.

What cliff is that, then?

 

[Slime]

Errr emm….. perhaps by folk realising that by voting leave they have made a serious error of judgement influenced by the lies spread by the MSM and right wing politicians and that if we press the reset button things would be massively better.

One of the most pompous and patronising posts I've ever read on this, or any other, forum.

 

[Hacker Khan]

The operative words "By EU rules"

I know. Sorry if I'm being dense here but I'm trying to say that if you are in the EU you abide by their rules. Golfers as much as anyone should realise that if you are a member of a club or play the game you abide by the rules. I think the point was being made was if those rules are causing us to not be able to trade etc. No one is disputing the fact that if you are a member of a club you abide by their rules.