Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[ColchesterFC]

We have no right to an extension, that would need to be negotiated/agreed with the EU.

The most significant point, assuming the ECJ go with this ruling, and based on what is going on as I write in the HoC's, MP's could vote to revoke our A50 notice and cancel Brexit altogether...

Sorry didn't mean to imply that. I suppose I should've put if we were granted an extension and tried to renegotiate.

It would take some very brave/stupid MPs or those looking to commit career suicide for them to revoke Article 50 in the HOC. It would show utter contempt for around half of the UK population.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Can't argue with that. She also started the clock on Article 50 too soon IMHO. Trouble is that I can't see any replacement for her doing any better. From what I can tell, there is no majority in parliament for any option.

Remain?

 

[ger147]

Can't argue with that. She also started the clock on Article 50 too soon IMHO. Trouble is that I can't see any replacement for her doing any better. From what I can tell, there is no majority in parliament for any option.

And THAT is the thing MP's now need to resolve, as until they can agree what they DO want to do, an exit with no deal is NOT off the table...

 

[Hacker Khan]

And THAT is the thing MP's now need to resolve, as until they can agree what they DO want to do, an exit with no deal is NOT off the table...

Too many entrenched views and an over prominence given to the noisy majority on both sides means there's little chance of that happening I think. If parliament now have the final say then there will never be a majority for no deal.

 

[ger147]

Too many entrenched views and an over prominence given to the noisy majority on both sides means there's little chance of that happening I think. If parliament now have the final say then there will never be a majority for no deal.

There doesn't need to be a majority for No Deal, all that needs to happen for a No Deal to happen is the arguing continues until we run out of time...

 

[Hacker Khan]

There doesn't need to be a majority for No Deal, all that needs to happen for a No Deal to happen is the arguing continues until we run out of time...

But would there not be a majority in favour of playing extra time?

 

[ger147]

But would there not be a majority in favour of playing extra time?

And the EU can tell us to do one...

 

[Hacker Khan]

And the EU can tell us to do one...

I suspect that anything that would delay our exit would be OK with the EU.

 

[ger147]

I suspect that anything that would delay our exit would be OK with the EU.

I would argue otherwise i.e. we have agreed a deal with them that they have approved. They're not going to let things drag on indefinitely so I can't see us getting an extension just to let us continue to argue amongst ourselves.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I would argue otherwise i.e. we have agreed a deal with them that they have approved. They're not going to let things drag on indefinitely so I can't see us getting an extension just to let us continue to argue amongst ourselves.

I'd say they won't want us to extend the time to come back with more demands on them. But if they feel that extra time may lead to a softer brexit or even no brexit at all they may well be amenable to the idea.

 

[ger147]

I'd say they won't want us to extend the time to come back with more demands on them. But if they feel that extra time may lead to a softer brexit or even no brexit at all they may well be amenable to the idea.

But as per my original point, there doesn't need to be a majority in the HoC in favour of No Deal for a No Deal to happen. At the moment, that's where we headed with the PM's deal is voted down next week.

 

[Hacker Khan]

But as per my original point, there doesn't need to be a majority in the HoC in favour of No Deal for a No Deal to happen. At the moment, that's where we headed with the PM's deal is voted down next week.

I am pretty confident that we will not go for a no deal as it would be political suicide. And today's events where parliament seems to have more say reinforces that.

 

[ger147]

I am pretty confident that we will not go for a no deal as it would be political suicide. And today's events where parliament seems to have more say reinforces that.

There is no majority for an alternative at present...

 

[Blue in Munich]

I would argue otherwise i.e. we have agreed a deal with them that they have approved. They're not going to let things drag on indefinitely so I can't see us getting an extension just to let us continue to argue amongst ourselves.

If May's deal is as bad for us and good for them as is claimed why would they; can they not then effectively kick us out on the agreed May deal by refusing any extension?

 

[ger147]

If May's deal is as bad for us and good for them as is claimed why would they; can they not then effectively kick us out on the agreed May deal by refusing any extension?

The May deal isn't a deal unless the UK parliament approves it. If we run out of time we'll be out of the tent with no deal at all, the EU can't enforce the May deal on the UK without their consent.

The EU may not want to go down the No Deal road either as the general consensus is that's also bad for them, but as the UK parliament can't come to a consensus on what they want both the UK and the EU could end up with the no deal outcome both claim they want to avoid.

 

[bluewolf]

If May's deal is as bad for us and good for them as is claimed why would they; can they not then effectively kick us out on the agreed May deal by refusing any extension?

If there's no extension and no agreement on the deal on offer then it will be No Deal. That's the only option...

 

[Blue in Munich]

Thank you both.

 

[Mudball]

The funny Irish lads are at it again >>

https://www.facebook.com/146505212039213/posts/5597543986935281

 

[SocketRocket]

I am pretty confident that we will not go for a no deal as it would be political suicide. And today's events where parliament seems to have more say reinforces that.

Please explain how a No Deal would be political suicide?.

 

[Slime]

The May deal isn't a deal unless the UK parliament approves it. If we run out of time we'll be out of the tent with no deal at all, the EU can't enforce the May deal on the UK without their consent.

The EU may not want to go down the No Deal road either as the general consensus is that's also bad for them, but as the UK parliament can't come to a consensus on what they want both the UK and the EU could end up with the no deal outcome both claim they want to avoid.

Please excuse my ignorance, but how can a 'No Deal' Brexit be bad for them as well as bad for us?