Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SocketRocket]

I can see this parliamentary debacle having some unexpected side effects in UK politics. Should the result of the current peoples vote not be respected then we will see some shifts to right in the next election.

 

[clubchamp98]

Please excuse my ignorance, but how can a 'No Deal' Brexit be bad for them as well as bad for us?

Just take the car industry.
It’s been said that if we leave we won’t get any parts under the Just in time system.
But the EU countries who make these parts can’t deliver them , so it’s not ideal for either party.
Do this for every business that uses this system.

They can’t fish in our waters ?

The list is endless how it also impacts on the EU.

 

[SocketRocket]

Just take the car industry.
It’s been said that if we leave we won’t get any parts under the Just in time system.
But the EU countries who make these parts can’t deliver them , so it’s not ideal for either party.
Do this for every business that uses this system.

They can’t fish in our waters ?

The list is endless how it also impacts on the EU.

You are correct it has been said that if we leave without a deal then parts for car manufacturers usin the Just In Time system of supply won't get any parts.

Lets take a look at that premise. We must assume the parts are made outside the UK and delivered by Lorries across the channel. If this is the case then what exactly will stop these parts from arriving in the UK, do you think the UK would somehow make it difficult for these lorries to come into the UK?
Why do you think we would do that. Do you honestly believe that a car production line relies solely on parts being delivered that same day by a lorry driving along our road systems from a channel port, If that was the case there would hardly be a day when production was not stopped. It just doesn't work that way, the car manufacturers have large local warehouses of parts that deliver the required components as required.

 

[ger147]

Please excuse my ignorance, but how can a 'No Deal' Brexit be bad for them as well as bad for us?

The general consensus is that new trade barriers, tariffs, uncertainty etc. will be bad for everyone, not just the UK.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The other blindingly obvious and extremely sensible 'deal' is to cancel the whole Brexit scenario, but the Britnat separatists would rather see the UK totally destroyed and broken up than that.
Looks like they are going to challenge May's leadership.

 

[bluewolf]

Anyone else think that Farage is angling to join the Conservatives? That would be the absolute cherry on top of the turdcake that is British politics at the moment...

 

[Hacker Khan]

Please explain how a No Deal would be political suicide?.

Simply that the economic impact of a hard Brexit for a large percentage of the population would be too damaging to the fiscal reputation of the Tory party. Assuming they are still in government if/when we end up with a hard brexit.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Anyone else think that Farage is angling to join the Conservatives? That would be the absolute cherry on top of the turdcake that is British politics at the moment...

If one of the more right of he right wingers gets control of the Tory party then not out of the question. It could be the Farage - Rees-Mogg dream team.....

Perhaps Farage has realised he's never going to become an MP with UKIP. So the Tories parachute him into one of the more right leaning constituencies and boom. In fact I kind of wish they would have thought of this 2 years ago instead of promising a referendum to appease UKIP.

 

[Slab]

Is it just me or do some MP’s seem to be basing their deal agreement/disagreement on how they voted in the referendum rather than what the country and people need. Shouldn’t they be well passed that by now. Pro or anti exit it really doesn’t matter anymore

Politicians created the mess and can’t even agree that it needs cleaned up let alone the best way to clean it up!

It’s staggering that the people are not holding them to account more. Happy to get out of bed for a black friday deal but wont demand their MP sort out a brexit deal

 

[HughJars]

I can see this parliamentary debacle having some unexpected side effects in UK politics. Should the result of the current peoples vote not be respected then we will see some shifts to right in the next election.

Except for viewers in Scotland, polling shows Tories back to near wipe out levels again.

 

[HughJars]

If there's no extension and no agreement on the deal on offer then it will be No Deal. That's the only option...

As Johanna Cherry and her group have proved, No Brexit at all is also an option.

 

[drdel]

You are correct it has been said that if we leave without a deal then parts for car manufacturers usin the Just In Time system of supply won't get any parts.

Lets take a look at that premise. We must assume the parts are made outside the UK and delivered by Lorries across the channel. If this is the case then what exactly will stop these parts from arriving in the UK, do you think the UK would somehow make it difficult for these lorries to come into the UK?
Why do you think we would do that. Do you honestly believe that a car production line relies solely on parts being delivered that same day by a lorry driving along our road systems from a channel port, If that was the case there would hardly be a day when production was not stopped. It just doesn't work that way, the car manufacturers have large local warehouses of parts that deliver the required components as required.

Car makers use 'Just in Time' manufacture, not Just in time deliveries. Parts usually come into 'local' warehouses in full truckloads. The are sorted into batches in production sequence: it is these local trucks that feed the 'line'.

Freeports can be set up that, like 'bonded goods' allow tax and duty to be managed inland.away from sea or airports.

 

[clubchamp98]

You are correct it has been said that if we leave without a deal then parts for car manufacturers usin the Just In Time system of supply won't get any parts.

Lets take a look at that premise. We must assume the parts are made outside the UK and delivered by Lorries across the channel. If this is the case then what exactly will stop these parts from arriving in the UK, do you think the UK would somehow make it difficult for these lorries to come into the UK?
Why do you think we would do that. Do you honestly believe that a car production line relies solely on parts being delivered that same day by a lorry driving along our road systems from a channel port, If that was the case there would hardly be a day when production was not stopped. It just doesn't work that way, the car manufacturers have large local warehouses of parts that deliver the required components as required.

Yes they hold stocks in the uk.
I am not saying it would stop right away but it’s like anything that relies on the cross Chanel ports.
The stock would not be replenished as normal and over time be shortages.
Custom checks, tarriffs and more red tape all take their toll eventually.

 

[clubchamp98]

Anyone else think that Farage is angling to join the Conservatives? That would be the absolute cherry on top of the turdcake that is British politics at the moment...

They will need a new leader soon.

 

[clubchamp98]

Is it just me or do some MP’s seem to be basing their deal agreement/disagreement on how they voted in the referendum rather than what the country and people need. Shouldn’t they be well passed that by now. Pro or anti exit it really doesn’t matter anymore

Politicians created the mess and can’t even agree that it needs cleaned up let alone the best way to clean it up!

It’s staggering that the people are not holding them to account more. Happy to get out of bed for a black friday deal but wont demand their MP sort out a brexit deal

The French know how to hold politicians to task.
But can’t see that amount of civil unrest here.
But it worked in France.

 

[SocketRocket]

Car makers use 'Just in Time' manufacture, not Just in time deliveries. Parts usually come into 'local' warehouses in full truckloads. The are sorted into batches in production sequence: it is these local trucks that feed the 'line'.

Freeports can be set up that, like 'bonded goods' allow tax and duty to be managed inland.away from sea or airports.

Thats correct. There were large 'Bonded Warehouses' in Bristol where tobacco was loaded direct from ships. No Tax revinue was paid untill the tobacco was taken from the warehouses.

 

[SocketRocket]

The French know how to hold politicians to task.
But can’t see that amount of civil unrest here.
But it worked in France.

Were you not around during the poll tax riots. Also take a look at UK history, you will find people here are very capable of rioting.

 

[Slab]

The French know how to hold politicians to task.
But can’t see that amount of civil unrest here.
But it worked in France.

I cant imagine the people in any other European country standing by and letting their politicians faff about like this

 

[clubchamp98]

Were you not around during the poll tax riots.

Yes forgot them
Well maybe we are capable of that.

 

[bluewolf]

As Johanna Cherry and her group have proved, No Brexit at all is also an option.

Yes, but only by decision. Failure to make a decision leads to No Deal. They (The Political Establishment) would have to propose and vote for Article 50 to be revoked or else we Exit with No Deal.