Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Hacker Khan said:
Must admit I did not see it. What did he do that particularly upset women MPs?
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Very condescending in his manner and speech......the actual debate was TV gold.
The Speaker had a job to keep it in order order.

Latest bit of punditry says May will lose by over 100 votes and will offer her resignation.
It will not be accepted as most of her front bench have now been suspended from Parliament. ;)
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
My Mrs would strongly disagree with you, I did not notice it until she pointed it out to me.
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You have been asked to justify your comment and in the manner of a politician you dont give a suitable reply.

Either explain clearly what he said that would particularly upset Women MPs or I am calling BS on your comment.
 
Looks like government will publish the legal advice in full after all and the government is in contempt of parliament. Strong and stable as she goes.....

Although I have absolutely no idea who that will favour. Does it make a hard Brexit more likely, no Brexit, postponed Brexit, a 2nd Referendum, Norway plus plus. Who knows anymore. It's all a conspiracy you know.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Looks like government will publish the legal advice in full after all and the government is in contempt of parliament. Strong and stable as she goes.....

Although I have absolutely no idea who that will favour. Does it make a hard Brexit more likely, no Brexit, postponed Brexit, a 2nd Referendum, Norway plus plus. Who knows anymore. It's all a conspiracy you know.
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Pure coincidence that Nicola was visiting Westminster for a :coffee: yesterday.
 
ger147 said:
This is a biggie IMO...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46428579

Not a binding ruling by the ECJ but a very good indication of how they will rule if it comes to it.
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I wonder if this line from the ruling will become important.......

"it should also have the power to change its mind during the two-year exit process specified in Article 50 of the EU treaty".

Does that mean that if May's deal is rejected and we get an extension to Article 50 and try to renegotiate that we can't cancel our withdrawal after the two year period is up?
 
Hacker Khan said:
Looks like government will publish the legal advice in full after all and the government is in contempt of parliament. Strong and stable as she goes.....

Although I have absolutely no idea who that will favour. Does it make a hard Brexit more likely, no Brexit, postponed Brexit, a 2nd Referendum, Norway plus plus. Who knows anymore. It's all a conspiracy you know.
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One take from twitter 'The Dominic Grieve amendment has won the House of Commons vote and defeated the government. It effectively takes a no deal Brexit off the table and puts parliament in control if May’s deal is defeated. A huge moment. This marks the beginning of the end for ERG / hard Brexiters.'
 
ColchesterFC said:
I wonder if this line from the ruling will become important.......

"it should also have the power to change its mind during the two-year exit process specified in Article 50 of the EU treaty".

Does that mean that if May's deal is rejected and we get an extension to Article 50 and try to renegotiate that we can't cancel our withdrawal after the two year period is up?
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We have no right to an extension, that would need to be negotiated/agreed with the EU.

The most significant point, assuming the ECJ go with this ruling, and based on what is going on as I write in the HoC's, MP's could vote to revoke our A50 notice and cancel Brexit altogether...
 
We may be going full fjords and trolls. From the lovely Laura K on twitter ' Pretty clear that group around the @stephenkinnock and @NickBoles 's idea for Norway type option are ready to pounce as soon as PM's plan rejected - Grieve amendment gives them a mechanism if it's passed, that vote could also be extremely tight'
 
Hacker Khan said:
One take from twitter 'The Dominic Grieve amendment has won the House of Commons vote and defeated the government. It effectively takes a no deal Brexit off the table and puts parliament in control if May’s deal is defeated. A huge moment. This marks the beginning of the end for ERG / hard Brexiters.'
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May is now responsible for something she no longer has any control over. It's been coming since her decision to hold an election and lose the small majority she had. The MP's as a whole can now do as they see fit and to be honest, a cross party approach should have been taken from the start IMO.

But it wasn't, she decided to try and get it done as a government rather than as a parliament. She has completely failed in that respect and if I was her I'd be off to the Palace...
 
ger147 said:
May is now responsible for something she no longer has any control over. It's been coming since her decision to hold an election and lose the small majority she had. The MP's as a whole can now do as they see fit and to be honest, a cross party approach should have been taken from the start IMO.

But it wasn't, she decided to try and get it done as a government rather than as a parliament. She has completely failed in that respect and if I was her I'd be off to the Palace...
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Can't argue with that. She also started the clock on Article 50 too soon IMHO. Trouble is that I can't see any replacement for her doing any better. From what I can tell, there is no majority in parliament for any option.
 
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