Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Mudball said:
Brexit or no Brexit.. this is one thing I worry about. Even though (apparently) I am a capitalist living in the south, I don’t understand this blanket notion that the UK is the land of milk and honey. I don’t know if this is the throwback to the empire or ignorance or arragance or mix of all this.

It is easy to fight an ideological battle of in/out when there is money in the bank. As my friend in the south who votes Remain but his family in the North voted Leave says.. those who have not benefited from the economic gains (mostly in the North) voted Leave as they don’t see the benefits of EU while those in the South drive their flashy German cars ..

I m sure I have stepped on many toes so everyone wants to throw a knife .. so go ahead while I exit Left..
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Oh dear. So everyone in the south drive flashy german cars. Oh dear!
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
Does anyone on here believe that May should not show the other political party's the advice the UK governments legal department have given her regarding leaving the EU ?
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I'm kind of undecided on this one, possibly because I don't know enough about it to make an informed decision. My initial reaction was that the advice should be published, especially as parliament have voted to that effect, but I don't know how such matters have been handled previously, if this would set a precedent for future decisions or if it undermines lawyer/client confidentiality.
 
spongebob59 said:
https://brexitcentral.com/leaked-co...ump-contradicts-may-adds-brexiteers-concerns/
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I think this is where it will end up, in endless legal challenges whilst the country is just in a perpetual state of flux and division.

Anyone remember the good old days of 2016 when, although Europe was a genuine issue, it was kind of blown out of proportion by a few hard righters and the Tory party fears about UKIP getting a few of their votes. But we also cared in elections about schools, the NHS, policing, welfare services, the environment. I was hearing this morning on the radio that one option if the vote is not passed is to have another general election before Christmas. Can you imagine what that would be like, and how little anything else apart from Brexit would be discussed.
 
ColchesterFC said:
I'm kind of undecided on this one, possibly because I don't know enough about it to make an informed decision. My initial reaction was that the advice should be published, especially as parliament have voted to that effect, but I don't know how such matters have been handled previously, if this would set a precedent for future decisions or if it undermines lawyer/client confidentiality.
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Hey, never stopped anyone else from giving their opinion on Brexit. Be dum tish... ;)
 
For the pendants that seem to feel needing to know the ins and outs of the proverbial ducks backside to decide which way to vote... The only FACT I needed (and I suspect same for many others) to know is the wholly corrupt bureaucracy that infests Brussels needs kicking into touch...

And, if this doesn't happen I'll have to consider donning my hi-vis and take to the streets!
 
MegaSteve said:
...The only FACT I needed (and I suspect same for many others) to know is the wholly corrupt bureaucracy that infests Brussels needs kicking into touch...
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Given your assertion that it is a FACT, can you please provide some evidence - 3 recent examples will suffice - of how it (the EU bureaucracy) is 'wholly corrupt'?

Note: I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you. I merely prefer to see some evidence before deciding whether believing some of the rhetoric - from both sides of the 'debate'!
 
ColchesterFC said:
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http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top-UK-exports.html
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That's why I challenge the 400Bn value. According to the above to the above link it's 445Bn USD which equates to pretty much £350Bn. Still a sizeable value, but I'd like to see where the 400Bn value came from. I don't believe it's merely a curency rate difference.

Of course such statistics can be manipulated (aka L,DL&S!). Boris proudly noted in a radio prog that UK exports to Korea had doubled since 2010. However, he didn't mention that the increase coincided with a trade deal negotiated by the EU! Nor the relatively small values involved - from 3Bn to 6Bn.
 
Martin Selmayr (sp?)... Arrival in office should be sufficient...

The tip of an iceberg of how many will have found themselves in a position of power in Brussels...

Let's not forget the huge sums paid illegally to Airbus...
All 'swept under the carpet '...

Again, probably just the top of the proverbial iceberg...
 
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MegaSteve said:
Martin Selmayr (sp?)... Arrival in office should be sufficient...

The tip of an iceberg of how many will have found themselves in a position of power in Brussels...

Let's not forget the huge sums paid illegally to Airbus...
All 'swept under the carpet '...

Again, probably just the top of the proverbial iceberg...
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If you are going to get upset about people being promoted to positions they are not really qualified to do, mostly down to their political allegiances and who their friends in power are, then please do not look at how most ministers in this country get their jobs. Also if you are concerned about corruption so much then again do not look at one of our shining examples of manufacturing excellence, Rolls Royce. I agree that none of this is good and should be eliminated, but to assume that it is just the EU doing this, we never succumb to such things and once we leave it will all go away is fanciful at best.

And Airbus support a lot of good jobs in the UK so means to an end and all that.....
 
Hacker Khan said:
If you are going to get upset about people being promoted to positions they are not really qualified to do, mostly down to their political allegiances and who their friends in power are, then please do not look at how most ministers in this country get their jobs. Also if you are concerned about corruption so much then again do not look at one of our shining examples of manufacturing excellence, Rolls Royce. I agree that none of this is good and should be eliminated, but to assume that it is just the EU doing this, we never succumb to such things and once we leave it will all go away is fanciful at best.

And Airbus support a lot of good jobs in the UK so means to an end and all that.....
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As much as I would like the opportunity to kick 'our' bureaucracy into touch I doubt I will get that chance...
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Does anyone on here believe that May should not show the other political party's the advice the UK governments legal department have given her regarding leaving the EU ?
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The advice was provided on the basis it was classed as confidential/secure - the authors have the right for that to remain the condition.

In addition the negotiations are not yet complete and information the advice may contain could be advantageous/useful to the EU so it would be stupid to place such, potentially, sensitive data in the public domain where it will inevitably be miss-quoted and manipulated by the media etc.

Should we not demand the EU show us the 'advice' they have been given? - after all we are still a member with several MEPs

Perhaps it could shown on a confidential basis to selected MP from across the HoC & HoL.
 
drdel said:
The advice was provided on the basis it was classed as confidential/secure - the authors have the right for that to remain the condition.

In addition the negotiations are not yet complete and information the advice may contain could be advantageous/useful to the EU so it would be stupid to place such, potentially, sensitive data in the public domain where it will inevitably be miss-quoted and manipulated by the media etc.

Should we not demand the EU show us the 'advice' they have been given? - after all we are still a member with several MEPs

Perhaps it could shown on a confidential basis to selected MP from across the HoC & HoL.
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And perhaps Privy Councillors like the Scottish First Minister.
After all this does involve the future destination and security of the UK. [not just England and Wales]

Seems to me like you are saying that the UK voters are too thick to handle the truth.
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As I suspect, the information is so damaging to May that she would have to cancel Brexit and resign.

Oh and by the way there are no SNP Lords so that would make the HoL access slightly skewed.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
And perhaps Privy Councillors like the Scottish First Minister.
After all this does involve the future destination and security of the UK. [not just England and Wales]

Seems to me like you are saying that the UK voters are too thick to handle the truth.
Or
As I suspect, the information is so damaging to May that she would have to cancel Brexit and resign.

Oh and by the way there are no SNP Lords so that would make the HoL access slightly skewed.
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Those are your spurious deductions because of the spin you wish to apply.

I said what I meant and had I meant to offer an opinion on what the advice concluded then I'd have expressed it !
 
Government face contempt vote over legal advice.
Anyone watch the Attorney General at the dispatch box yesterday, what an arrogant display, especially to the women MP's
One MP told him to stop acting like Rumpold of the Bailey. :LOL:
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Government face contempt vote over legal advice.
Anyone watch the Attorney General at the dispatch box yesterday, what an arrogant display, especially to the women MP's
One MP told him to stop acting like Rumpold of the Bailey. :LOL:
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Must admit I did not see it. What did he do that particularly upset women MPs?
 
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