Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Fade and Die]

Do you not find that it makes for one dimensional thinking wise ? Or is it that SNP happen to have policies that you completely agree with ?

I don't think I could ever think like that and think that one party supports most of my beliefs and never understood when people used to say my granddad was a labour, my dad was and so am I.

They have the only policy Doon needs...... Escape the hated English (and bizarrely jump under the old continental quilt with a federal superstate!)

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Do you not find that it makes for one dimensional thinking wise ? Or is it that SNP happen to have policies that you completely agree with ?

I don't think I could ever think like that and think that one party supports most of my beliefs and never understood when people used to say my granddad was a labour, my dad was and so am I.

Both really, I find it amusing when folk who are perhaps a bit slow [not you] criticize the SNP for wanting Independence for Scotland [which of course in itself one dimensional.] The clue is in their name.
They also assume that the SNP will be the majority political party should independence happen. They are in a minority government right now, they need the support of the Greens to push things through.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

They have the only policy Doon needs...... Escape the hated English (and bizarrely jump under the old continental quilt with a federal superstate!)

Yawn Yawn broken record borderline racist rubbish again.

You do not even understand that your lazy stereotype of Scotland for wanting it's country back is not entirely dissimilar to what Leavers in England and Wales wish.

 

[Fade and Die]

Yawn Yawn broken record borderline racist rubbish again.

You do not even understand that your lazy stereotype of Scotland for wanting it's country back is not entirely dissimilar to what Leavers in England and Wales wish.

Oh my goodness, you went there quick!......... will you be reporting me for a hate crime you beautiful and unique freedom fighter?

 

[Mudball]

How your MP will vote makes interesting reading.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/26/how-will-your-mp-vote-on-theresa-mays-brexit-deal

So those who are voting no to the agreement... what is the alternative they present??

 

[jp5]

So those who are voting no to the agreement... what is the alternative they present??

That's not for them to decide. A similar situation to the 2016 referendum.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Good take on where we are with Brexit from a neutral point of view.
Discard the misleading title.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...p?shareToken=8d30aca59291b4112ccc9949514f8d96

 

[chrisd]

So, we vote to leave and the Government put in charge a remainer to oversee the process. The remainer in charge deliberately messes up the leave process so that leave voters, rather than end up with no deal and the ensuing chaos that will follow have to change their minds and decide to stay................

Have leave voters been conned?

 

[Hacker Khan]

But of course it was an in/out UK vote and, who voted in what region, at what age, of what nationality etc etc is totally irrelevant

I'd argue it could be if we want to keep the U bit of UK. Assuming that we have had any semblance of a common united Uk wide vision or plan for exiting based on region or political party has cost us dear and kind of doomed the negotiations to failure from the very start. You can only negotiate a strong outcome if we have an united and agreed starting negotiating position and agreed outcomes. The Uk has never had this (losing one brexit minister is unfortunate.....) where as the EU mostly has.

 

[chrisd]

I'd argue it could be if we want to keep the U bit of UK.

Do we?

 

[bluewolf]

So, we vote to leave and the Government put in charge a remainer to oversee the process. The remainer in charge deliberately messes up the leave process so that leave voters, rather than end up with no deal and the ensuing chaos that will follow have to change their minds and decide to stay................

Have leave voters been conned?

Did you vote Tory at the last GE? If the answer is yes, then technically you put her in charge. And Tory means Tory, and you've got to respect the result of the democratic process etc etc 😉

 

[Hacker Khan]

Do we?

Possibly, unless some people also saw it as a vote on English independence.

 

[chrisd]

Did you vote Tory at the last GE? If the answer is yes, then technically you put her in charge. And Tory means Tory, and you've got to respect the result of the democratic process etc etc 😉

WRONG - I voted Tory to put Damien Collins in to power, and therefore to have the right to moan about THEIR choice of PM

 

[chrisd]

Possibly, unless some people also saw it as a vote on English independence.

It couldn't be that as we didn't get a vote

 

[Hacker Khan]

So, we vote to leave and the Government put in charge a remainer to oversee the process. The remainer in charge deliberately messes up the leave process so that leave voters, rather than end up with no deal and the ensuing chaos that will follow have to change their minds and decide to stay................

Have leave voters been conned?

That's a very strong statement and one that I would argue could do with some evidence to back it up, or it just comes across as paranoia and the start of the 'deflecting the blame' game by people who originally claimed the process would be simple, new trade deals easy to negotiate etc etc. The PM is in charge of ensuring the best outcomes for the country. It is obvious that in her and many other MPs minds, they do not see a hard 'leave at all costs' Brexit as the best possible outcome so they have been doing what they see as the best thing to ensure the future economic and political stability of the country. And ended up pleasing no one, but that was only ever going the be the outcome anyway.

 

[bluewolf]

WRONG - I voted Tory to put Damien Collins in to power, and therefore to have the right to moan about THEIR choice of PM

Maybe I remember it wrong, but wasn't she PM before the GE. Seems a bit strange to complain about something you knew was already in place before you voted. A bit like moving next to an airport and then complaining about the noise of the planes...

 

[chrisd]

Maybe I remember it wrong, but wasn't she PM before the GE. Seems a bit strange to complain about something you knew was already in place before you voted. A bit like moving next to an airport and then complaining about the noise of the planes...

Do you vote for the constituency candidate or the prime minister?

 

[chrisd]

That's a very strong statement and one that I would argue could do with some evidence to back it up, or it just comes across as paranoia and the start of the 'deflecting the blame' game by people who originally claimed the process would be simple, new trade deals easy to negotiate etc etc. The PM is in charge of ensuring the best outcomes for the country. It is obvious that in her and many other MPs minds, they do not see a hard 'leave at all costs' Brexit as the best possible outcome so they have been doing what they see as the best thing to ensure the future economic and political stability of the country. And ended up pleasing no one, but that was only ever going the be the outcome anyway.

Please don't ask for EVIDENCE on a thread with over 2,000 posts of opinions 😁

 

[IanM]

That's a very strong statement and one that I would argue could do with some evidence to back it up

Isnt the amount of prevarication over the past 2 and a half years, and the rubbishness of the outcome sufficient evidence for you?

 

[MegaSteve]

It was having a government full of politicians that thought they knew best that saw the Donald get to where he has...