Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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bluewolf said:
😂 Being half German, I have some idea of how they think.

They prioritise Company based learning in a way that we do not. They value skills in a way that we do not. They embrace a culture of robust manufacturing, not throwaway tat.

We are a long long way from being like the Germans. We have a system where the gap between the richest and the poorest is larger than almost anywhere else in the West. We currently follow an economic model that doesn't work.

We can rebuild and become a strong manufacturing country, but not without some significant change.
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We had a sister company in Stuttgart where I spent a number of years working assisting them become established. I love it there and regretted not accepting their offer to work for them at twice my uk salary. While there I developed some specialist manufacturing software for Robert Bosch, Mercedes and WMF, they were very progressive but also very demanding in quality and timescales, very similar to the Japanese companies I worked with. I made some great friends in Germany.
 
bluewolf said:
Well then let's change the system. Companies should hire 18yr olds and pay for them to attend University. Or ensure proper apprenticeships are available. We haven't done this for many years because we've concentrated on short term gain. It's why our economy is fragile. There are not enough skills underpinning it. We've become the masters of enriching the shareholders at the expense of the Workers.
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Yep, I am old enough to remember apprenticeships.
Good training is the answer to successful businesses, we seem to have forgotten that in Britain
 
The EU have this morning agreed the Brexit withdrawal agreement also known as the Theresa May capitulation document. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks and if it gets past the vote in the UK parliament. I don't know how it has any chance of being passed with it being so roundly criticised by both sides of the argument.

Which does also raise questions on how there could be a Peoples Vote. What would the question be? It would need to be a binary choice but couldn't be accept the agreement/remain and equally couldn't be accept the agreement/no deal so what would it be?

I think for Brexiteers the biggest indicator that the agreement is Brexit in name only is that SiLH isn't vehemently opposed to it and seems to have adopted a position of quiet acceptance. As one of the most vocal opponents of Brexit he's not been very critical of the negotiated deal which should be raising red flags for Leave voters.

Also saw an interesting point raised by a Leave supporting MP. Almost everything that the EU wanted is contained in the Brexit withdrawal agreement which is legally enforceable. Almost everything the UK wanted is in the future roadmap document which isn't legally enforceable. No idea how true that is but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
 
ColchesterFC said:
The EU have this morning agreed the Brexit withdrawal agreement also known as the Theresa May capitulation document. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks and if it gets past the vote in the UK parliament. I don't know how it has any chance of being passed with it being so roundly criticised by both sides of the argument.

Which does also raise questions on how there could be a Peoples Vote. What would the question be? It would need to be a binary choice but couldn't be accept the agreement/remain and equally couldn't be accept the agreement/no deal so what would it be?

I think for Brexiteers the biggest indicator that the agreement is Brexit in name only is that SiLH isn't vehemently opposed to it and seems to have adopted a position of quiet acceptance. As one of the most vocal opponents of Brexit he's not been very critical of the negotiated deal which should be raising red flags for Leave voters.

Also saw an interesting point raised by a Leave supporting MP. Almost everything that the EU wanted is contained in the Brexit withdrawal agreement which is legally enforceable. Almost everything the UK wanted is in the future roadmap document which isn't legally enforceable. No idea how true that is but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
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I sincerely hope it doesn't; everything I have heard mirrors what you have posted and it seems worse than staying in or leaving with No Deal. Our political masters really do see to have made a complete dog's dinner of negotiating the deal if this is the solution we are stuck with.
 
Blue in Munich said:
I sincerely hope it doesn't; everything I have heard mirrors what you have posted and it seems worse than staying in or leaving with No Deal. Our political masters really do see to have made a complete dog's dinner of negotiating the deal if this is the solution we are stuck with.
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Totally agree!

An absolutely pigs ear of an agreement!

'No Deal' would be far more acceptable!
 
Tony Blair saying that there should be a 2nd referendum and appears to be suggesting that the question should be "Do you still want the UK to leave the EU now we know what the deal is"? Even as someone that wants us to stay in the EU that question seems a bit loaded towards Remain. Blair also said that both sides should agree that whatever the result it should be binding for at least a generation. I'm not sure if that is an actual generation or an SNP generation. I guess it will depend on the result.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Tony Blair saying that there should be a 2nd referendum and appears to be suggesting that the question should be "Do you still want the UK to leave the EU now we know what the deal is"? Even as someone that wants us to stay in the EU that question seems a bit loaded towards Remain. Blair also said that both sides should agree that whatever the result it should be binding for at least a generation. I'm not sure if that is an actual generation or an SNP generation. I guess it will depend on the result.
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I note he appears to avoid the option of do you want to leave on this deal or no deal...
 
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