Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Hobbit said:
"Worry and concerns" are not facts, they are opinion based. Valid opinions IF a hard Brexit comes to pass, and valid opinions in terms of making sure plans are in place for it. But any business will look at costs, and changes to business practices will incur costs. They are wanting no extra costs, obviously, and will say pretty much anything, understandably, to avoid extra costs.

That still doesn't take away the fact that reduced or no tariffs, post-Brexit, is an upside for every buyer, that's members of the public and businesses that are buying from Non-EU countries or will switch to Non-EU countries.

To a large extent, I disagree with businesses highlighting their concerns in public and, in effect, trying to influence the public. The truth should come from the politicians(hahahahaha) when they are at the stump. Business shouldn't influence a public vote as they are only concerned about themselves.
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If I am worried about something today then it is a fact that I am worried. What I might be worried about might be my projection - but that does not make my worry less real. So when a businessman or trade group representative states he is worried - that is a fact - it is not fake news - it is factual news.

If businesses do not see the government doing anything to assuage their concerns then it is incumbent upon the business to raise awareness of these concerns. Were they to keep quiet and the concerns they held come to pass - they will be castigated for not telling us...no?
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
If I am worried about something today then it is a fact that I am worried. What I might be worried about might be my projection - but that does not make my worry less real. So when a businessman or trade group representative states he is worried - that is a fact - it is not fake news - it is factual news.

If businesses do not see the government doing anything to assuage their concerns then it is incumbent upon the business to raise awareness of these concerns. Were they to keep quiet and the concerns they held come to pass - they will be castigated for not telling us...no?
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In an earlier post today I said it isn't fake news, so why keep repeating it? Equally, the "worry" has to be realistic and balanced. Governments do make decisions that impact on many industries at different times - I could tell you some stories about Tata Steel and SSi on Teesside that would make your toes curl. Businesses can't run to the govt for everything. I agree that Brexit will impact businesses to a greater or lesser extent. Some will win and some will lose but the electorate have chosen this path, as much as I disagree with it, and its not for business to publicly influence it, inc. the Wetherspoon's CEO who is a supporter of Brexit.

As for the businesses highlighting it. The Japanese got a trade delegation together, along with Japanese politicians, and visited Downing Street. Far more professional than using the media as Airbus et al have done.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
If businesses do not see the government doing anything to assuage their concerns then it is incumbent upon the business to raise awareness of these concerns. Were they to keep quiet and the concerns they held come to pass - they will be castigated for not telling us...no?
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Bremoaner in chief, PM Major, said it should be about people people people…

He didn't say anything about it being for business business business...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
business business business employs people people people
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I am guessing you've never worked for a business that sends good folk down the road one week then containerises the kit 'n caboodle they worked the following week shipping it off elsewhere all because being in the poxy EU facilitates them doing so... Also allows them 100% to put the local workforce on ignore to give preferential treatment to incomers... And I am not just talking about here in the UK!


If being in is so important to business then let them pick up the tab...
Hey ho now that would be original...
Business paying its way...

Like the tool that backed Ms Miller...
Happy to fund her but not quite so happy at paying his workforce correctly...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Because the Indian government have said that they expect any future UK-India trade deal will have to include the UK accepting more immigrants from India?
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Do you mean what Yk Sinha, India's High Commissioner said?

“I’m not talking about unfettered access or unrestricted travel, I’m talking about movement of professionals, movement of doctors, technicians, engineers.''
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Anyone who still thinks the BBC is an 'honest enquirer' should watch London Calling.

It is a one hour documentary so be prepared to have your core beliefs challenged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXQYuLUAbyw

Better be quick before the BBC takes it down. :(
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That was a fascinating (but not surprising) watch..... I wonder how much longer the BBC will run in its currently funded form. I for one would happily do away with their programming.
 
adam6177 said:
That was a fascinating (but not surprising) watch..... I wonder how much longer the BBC will run in its currently funded form. I for one would happily do away with their programming.
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And be left with either constant adverts or subscription telly - no thanks

Regardless of what their views in the BBC News are ( i personally couldn’t care less if they are pro or anti Brexit - I have the ability to make my own mind up ) - the wide range of programs they produce cannot be matched by any other broadcaster - thankfully the BBC won’t be going anywhere because there are millions more that do enjoy them
 
Not that it's got owt to do with the B word...
To shut the Beeb down would be quite a vote loser amongst the demographic that can actually be asked to vote...


And, if there's anyone out there that favours watching Piers ahead of Naga you are in serious need of help...
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
And be left with either constant adverts or subscription telly - no thanks

Regardless of what their views in the BBC News are ( i personally couldn’t care less if they are pro or anti Brexit - I have the ability to make my own mind up ) - the wide range of programs they produce cannot be matched by any other broadcaster - thankfully the BBC won’t be going anywhere because there are millions more that do enjoy them
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Did you watch London Calling ?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Did you watch London Calling ?
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No Doon and no interest in watching it - if someone wants to see and find bias they always will. Take your posts for example - everyone knows that 99.9% of your posts have a clear anti English anti BBC anti government bias - we all know it and we all know you are incapable of posting from a neutral point of view and it’s always either Pro Scottish or anti English or both. It’s the same with SILH always posting anti Brexit or SR posting pro Brexit - it’s just floods the thread and the people who know what they are talking about get drowned out - so a thread that can be informative to people becomes a slagging match between the same that ruined the last thread - thankfully I can get my facts , opinions from other sources and I can make me own mind up - I don’t care if you think the BBC is Bias - it’s a good service imo
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Did you watch London Calling ?
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I wish people would stop quoting his posts (to be clear LP), the forum is so much better without having to read it.

But to address the point made - whether he as an individual is capable of making a balanced and informed decision has absolutely nothing to do with what "the public" are capable of doing. There are a lot of people that are easily brainwashed and influenced by what the media say and they simply adopt what they've read as their opinion without reading around the subject....I think that should be obvious to anyone with common sense.
 
adam6177 said:
I wish people would stop quoting his posts (to be clear LP), the forum is so much better without having to read it.

But to address the point made - whether he as an individual is capable of making a balanced and informed decision has absolutely nothing to do with what "the public" are capable of doing. There are a lot of people that are easily brainwashed and influenced by what the media say and they simply adopt what they've read as their opinion without reading around the subject....I think that should be obvious to anyone with common sense.
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True...I shall take your advice and stop quoting LP. ;)
 
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