Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Old Skier said:
Because 15 year olds can join the armed forces as juniors.
Click to expand...
Old Skier said:
My apologies to both LP and you, you can start the application process at 15.
Click to expand...
Glad you corrected that, because to be exact it's 15yrs & 9months of age to begin application process but entry cannot be until after leaving school and turning 16.

When I went through basic there were 2 young 16 year old lads that were a lot more mature than some the older guys probably myself included. I'm not saying now is the right time to invoke a right to vote for them as we are so far into the process but in future votes its something that needs addressing.
 
Hobbit said:
It could be argued that history shows that it is when that particular group agitate for it. Each time the franchise has been extended to a particular group, down through the centuries, its been on the back of demands by those groups.

Who is demanding it for 16/17 year olds? It is people with a vested interest in them getting the vote. Who is supporting those demands? People suckered by those calling out for it? Lets have a proper scrutinised debate during the next parliament but lets not fall for a sucker punch being delivered by someone whose only interest is where that vote will go, not is it right for them to have it. If those people had felt strongly about it before it would have been before parliament before now.
Click to expand...

I don’t agree with the change being rushed through to help any side whichever side it is

I don’t even know which side is demanding it but for the future once this rubbish has all been sorted it’s time we allowed 16 years to have a say -I don’t see what the negative can be by allowing 16years the ability to vote.

I recall seeing on social media 16years etc and groups wanting to have a say in the EU referendum - it was going to have a bigger affect on them than a good number of other age groups.

As for EU citizens who just live in the Uk - Nope , it’s a UK vote simple as that
 
A gentle nudge :

@eucopresident
· 30m
To my British friends, The EU27 has formally adopted the extension. It may be the last one. Please make the best use of this time. I also want to say goodbye to you as my mission here is coming to an end. I will keep my fingers crossed for you.
 
Jamesbrown said:
They can’t smoke, they can’t gamble, can’t drink, treated as a minor in the eyes of the law, can’t drive.
Their life experience is nil, easily manipulated and led, can’t write a will, cant watch porn, can’t buy a house.

Another remainer unicorn belief that the young are pro EU. They’ll vote what their parents vote for, right after they’ve had their waffles and turkey dinosaurs. I don’t think I knew what the EU was till 2014/15, how will they? What 16 year old switches on the news after school?
Click to expand...

What a depressing post.

Most 16-18 year olds I know are as bright as a button. can't say the same about the 70-90 year olds I know.
As an example my 18 year old granddaughter owns her own successful business and drives a brand new Mercedes.
I also have a 89 year old relative [with a vote] who cannot tell you who the Prime Minister is.
 
well said :

@IainDale
·
28m

If any of these amendments go through, the govt will have to pull the Bill and there'll be no election. You cannot change the franchise just like that. They complain about Boris pushing through the WAB in three days. This would be within 3 hours! A major constitutional change.
 
chrisd said:
.......... and for that reason alone under 18's will not be allowed to vote 👍
Click to expand...

So, if the HoC on an amendment vote cannot change that, then these amendments ( including the incredulous one for non U.K. CITIZENS to vote, )
are nothing more than a wrecking tactic.
Corbin stands there looking smug saying we will have an election, knowing full well, I believe, that one or more of his MPs will wreck it.
Then when the questions come, "Oh, I wanted an election of course......"

What the hell sort of people are they in that chamber tonight.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I don’t agree with the change being rushed through to help any side whichever side it is

I don’t even know which side is demanding it but for the future once this rubbish has all been sorted it’s time we allowed 16 years to have a say -I don’t see what the negative can be by allowing 16years the ability to vote.

I recall seeing on social media 16years etc and groups wanting to have a say in the EU referendum - it was going to have a bigger affect on them than a good number of other age groups.

As for EU citizens who just live in the Uk - Nope , it’s a UK vote simple as that
Click to expand...

How many 16 year olds have asked for it? I'd bet its not far short of none.

The negative? I'd say gullibility. A more mature, worldly wise person isn't so susceptible to propaganda and can see through spin a little easier. My reason for saying that; Labour offered the Crown Jewels to all and sundry at the last election - remember the spin around tuition fees. There's plenty of evidence out there now to show that those students that fell for it are very cynical of Labour now. Student support for Labour has halved in the 2 years.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I don’t agree with the change being rushed through to help any side whichever side it is

I don’t even know which side is demanding it but for the future once this rubbish has all been sorted it’s time we allowed 16 years to have a say -I don’t see what the negative can be by allowing 16years the ability to vote.

I recall seeing on social media 16years etc and groups wanting to have a say in the EU referendum - it was going to have a bigger affect on them than a good number of other age groups.

As for EU citizens who just live in the Uk - Nope , it’s a UK vote simple as that
Click to expand...

Agree here aswell, whilst I agree with them having the vote long term , don't rush it through for this
 
I don’t believe 16yrs old should be given the vote, they are still minors, regardless of maturity etc and for every exceptional 16/17yrs old people quote you will probably find as many stories about 16/17yrs old dimwits.
Life is hard enough without dropping the age limit.

As for those saying 16/17yrs old Service personnel are just as well trained as those 2 yrs older, they aren’t, they may have passed basic WHT or PFT but they aren’t “fit for role” until they are aged over 18, neither will they have completed any “trade training”

They also can’t attend Pre-Deployment training even if they don’t deploy until after their 18th birthday.

Thankfully, the Services have learnt their lesson through mistakes in the past.
 
Hobbit said:
How many 16 year olds have asked for it? I'd bet its not far short of none.

The negative? I'd say gullibility. A more mature, worldly wise person isn't so susceptible to propaganda and can see through spin a little easier. My reason for saying that; Labour offered the Crown Jewels to all and sundry at the last election - remember the spin around tuition fees. There's plenty of evidence out there now to show that those students that fell for it are very cynical of Labour now. Student support for Labour has halved in the 2 years.
Click to expand...

https://www.byc.org.uk/campaigns/votesat16

http://www.votesat16.org/about/

http://www.ukyouthparliament.org.uk/campaign/include-16-17-year-olds-public-elections/

There are multiple groups from the 16-18 asking for people to support them getting the vote -

And do people stop being gullible at 18 ?

I don’t see age being an issue when it comes to looking at spin - the amount of rubbish being spouted by all ages since the EU ref shows that spin can affect any age
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Tashyboy
Party holes at golf comps.
2
Replies
34
Views
1K
Pin-seeker
Pin-seeker
Don Barzini
Christmas 2025
14 15 16
Replies
319
Views
8K
kp17
kp17
Lucifer MorningStar
Best clubs of all time (Probably)
2 3
Replies
41
Views
2K
srixon 1
srixon 1
B
Ping 7 wood head shortage.
2
Replies
20
Views
2K
KenL
KenL
VVega
What age is your Seniors?
2
Replies
21
Views
1K
Arthur Wedge
Arthur Wedge
Top