Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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https://www.byc.org.uk/campaigns/votesat16

http://www.votesat16.org/about/

http://www.ukyouthparliament.org.uk/campaign/include-16-17-year-olds-public-elections/

There are multiple groups from the 16-18 asking for people to support them getting the vote -

And do people stop being gullible at 18 ?

I don’t see age being an issue when it comes to looking at spin - the amount of rubbish being spouted by all ages since the EU ref shows that spin can affect any age

There has to be a line somewhere. Why can't it remain at 18? As I said, its a debate worth having but it needs to be done sensibly and with full scrutiny. And bear in mind, that by lowering it to 16 there's a whole host of other legislation that will need to be amended. Do you want a 16 year old in adult prison? Not trying to twist it with a bit of emotional blackmail, just trying to show that the issues extend well beyond a "here's the vote, go and have some fun."
 
For the voting age to be reduced it will require someone with the eloquence of Jeremy Thorpe in the house... Not sure I can think of anyone fitting that description presently...

I was fortunate to witness the debate for reducing the voting age to 18 and without JT driving the debate forward it may well have stalled...
 
There has to be a line somewhere. Why can't it remain at 18? As I said, its a debate worth having but it needs to be done sensibly and with full scrutiny. And bear in mind, that by lowering it to 16 there's a whole host of other legislation that will need to be amended. Do you want a 16 year old in adult prison? Not trying to twist it with a bit of emotional blackmail, just trying to show that the issues extend well beyond a "here's the vote, go and have some fun."

In answer to your question about prison then yes potentially depending on the crime they possible should

But why does having a vote cause so many issues ?

As a 16 year old they are allowed to leave home , get full time employment , get married , buy a home , have children , pat tax.

What difference is there between someone at 16 who can do all the above and someone who is 18 ?

If the country can deem they are old enough to contribute financially for themselves and into society then surely they should be allowed a voice in what happens in that society

Sorry Brian this is far too mature and sensible for this thread - you ex pat you
 
Interesting idea, how old exactly? :-) And will they become tax exempt when they lose the vote? There might be a few who would do this voluntarily on the basis that their vote is ignored anyway.
Anyone who thinks nostalgia was better when they were young
 
I don’t believe 16yrs old should be given the vote, they are still minors, regardless of maturity etc and for every exceptional 16/17yrs old people quote you will probably find as many stories about 16/17yrs old dimwits.
Life is hard enough without dropping the age limit.

As for those saying 16/17yrs old Service personnel are just as well trained as those 2 yrs older, they aren’t, they may have passed basic WHT or PFT but they aren’t “fit for role” until they are aged over 18, neither will they have completed any “trade training”

They also can’t attend Pre-Deployment training even if they don’t deploy until after their 18th birthday.

Thankfully, the Services have learnt their lesson through mistakes in the past.

You can't use the dimwits comment because plenty of those over 18 (myself included)

Maybe voting should be linked to iq

Fill in your vote

Answer 5 questions .. if you don't meet the bench mark your vote goes in the shredder
 
You can't use the dimwits comment because plenty of those over 18 (myself included)

Maybe voting should be linked to iq

Fill in your vote

Answer 5 questions .. if you don't meet the bench mark your vote goes in the shredder
People using an example of 1 outstanding 16yrs old is just as bad.:)
 
In answer to your question about prison then yes potentially depending on the crime they possible should

But why does having a vote cause so many issues ?

As a 16 year old they are allowed to leave home , get full time employment , get married , buy a home , have children , pat tax.

What difference is there between someone at 16 who can do all the above and someone who is 18 ?

If the country can deem they are old enough to contribute financially for themselves and into society then surely they should be allowed a voice in what happens in that society

Sorry Brian this is far too mature and sensible for this thread - you ex pat you

Well we know who is part to blame for Johnson being Tory Party Leader...;)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...rship-vote-deadline-uk-election-boris-johnson
 
A couple of weeks back we heard MP's complaining about sitting on a Saturday. Today we hear them complaining that having an election in December isn't a good idea because its dark.

What a sad, sorry bunch of parasites many of them have been shown to be.
They naively believe that when it’s sunny we still want to talk to them ...
 
The other day I had two old dears on the doorstep asking me if I would like to talk about Brexit and the Bible... I just said “no” and they said I was very decisive, so I thanked them and said goodbye.
 
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