Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[spongebob59]

jezza the red falls off the fence :

Labour will vote for an election to be held on December 12th. -The Party will also back an amendment for 16 and 17 year olds to vote. -But the Electoral Commission says this is impossible in time for December.

Corbyn says conditions met, he's backing the election

This is true. But it was also true at the time of the vote yesterday evening and also at the time of Jeremy Corbyn's Commons speech.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

jezza the red falls off the fence :

Labour will vote for an election to be held on December 12th. -The Party will also back an amendment for 16 and 17 year olds to vote. -But the Electoral Commission says this is impossible in time for December.

Corbyn says conditions met, he's backing the election

This is true. But it was also true at the time of the vote yesterday evening and also at the time of Jeremy Corbyn's Commons speech.

...or the 11th?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

...or the 11th?

Or 9th, they haven’t actually said which date they are supporting.
Great to see No Deal definitely off the table until 31st Jan, imo.

 

[Mudball]

So what happens when we get together over Christmas and we have yet another Hung parliament. What if Remain Lib Dem support the Leave Tory to keep the 'cant make up my mind today' Labour.

 

[USER1999]

Any one who is not going to be in their constituency on polling day can apply for a postal vote. It is easy, and there is no excuse for not voting if you want too.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Or 9th, they haven’t actually said which date they are supporting.
Great to see No Deal definitely off the table until 31st Jan, imo.

Are you sure about No Deal being off the table? I haven't yet seen or heard anything that absolutely stops Johnson going back on anything he might have said about ND being off the table until then. I

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Any one who is not going to be in their constituency on polling day can apply for a postal vote. It is easy, and there is no excuse for not voting if you want too.

...or a proxy vote. Dead easy to arrange - we did it for the European Elections when we were in Australia - and we did it from Australia.

Must go check that my 24 and 27yr olds are registered.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Are you sure about No Deal being off the table? I haven't yet seen or heard anything that absolutely stops Johnson going back on anything he might have said about ND being off the table until then. I

Only going by the statement as to why Labour apparently supporting a GE.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Oh and the lastst thing about giving 16/17 yo the vote is just laughable. The Libs and the SNP are stark staring bonkers.

Why is it laughable? This age group will have to live with the decision of any vote for longer than other age groups

A lot of people left school at 16 straight to work but get no say on the world?

What makes 18yos that much more mature than 16yos to make decisions ?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Only going by the statement as to why Labour apparently supporting a GE.

I heard that...but until and unless I see what actually makes it true then I do not believe it...because Labour have to have some 'valid' reason for changing their mind on the December GE.

 

[MegaSteve]

Hopefully there's a decent independent candidate on my ballot paper this time round...

Otherwise 'none of the above' gets my vote... Again...

Can see it being a bit of a bloodbath for the mainstream parties... Believe, it's fair to say, the majority have had their fill of political shenanigans...

 

[Hobbit]

I heard that...but until and unless I see what actually makes it true then I do not believe it...because Labour have to have some 'valid' reason for changing their mind on the December GE.

Labour have said that as the EU have extended for 3 month No Deal is effectively off the table.

 

[chrisd]

Why is it laughable? This age group will have to live with the decision of any vote for longer than other age groups

A lot of people left school at 16 straight to work but get no say on the world?

What makes 18yos that much more mature than 16yos to make decisions ?

My 1 year old grandson will have to live with it for longer, shall I make a case for asking him?

 

[Hobbit]

My 1 year old grandson will have to live with it for longer, shall I make a case for asking him?

Surely he's on the electoral register?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Labour have said that as the EU have extended for 3 month No Deal is effectively off the table.

Yes - I heard that, but I haven't been able to reconcile the fact of the extension with No Deal 100% off the table. And as you say effectively...that implies it is still possible?

 

[Hobbit]

Yes - I heard that, but I haven't been able to reconcile the fact of the extension with No Deal 100% off the table. And as you say effectively...that implies it is still possible?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50221856

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Why is it laughable? This age group will have to live with the decision of any vote for longer than other age groups

A lot of people left school at 16 straight to work but get no say on the world?

What makes 18yos that much more mature than 16yos to make decisions ?

Because , apart from common sense telling us that 16 yr olds don't know enough of the world to vote, we also have a law system in this country that says anyone under 18 is a child and when in legal proceedings they cannot be named to "protect " them.
( something I imagine you agree with).
Yet, you want these "children" to have the vote. 🙄

 

[Blue in Munich]

...or a proxy vote. Dead easy to arrange - we did it for the European Elections when we were in Australia - and we did it from Australia.

Must go check that my 24 and 27yr olds are registered.

If at 24 and 27 they are not capable of sorting that out themselves should they be voting?

 

[Swinglowandslow]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50221856

Now we can show these "honourables" what we think of them.
And I imagine Laura , Adam et al, are tingling and getting all of a quiver😁

 

[ColchesterFC]

Yes - I heard that, but I haven't been able to reconcile the fact of the extension with No Deal 100% off the table. And as you say effectively...that implies it is still possible?

No deal is only off the table until 31st January (at the minute). After that date there are 4 possible options. No deal, Boris' deal, a further extension or revoke Article 50. No deal cannot be taken totally out of the equation until we have a deal agreed or Article 50 is revoked. Those are the only two ways that no deal is permanently ruled out.

No deal could be back on the table after an election. If the Brexit party won a majority then they could decide unilaterally that we were leaving straight away with no deal. Equally if the Lib Dems won a majority they could revoke Article 50.