Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[robinthehood]

Good summary Bob, but missing the doctrine of the EU


a) Guess again!

b) How do they do any on "NO Deal?" Everything stops and the Sky falls in surely!

9% and they are currently negotiating a FTA

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Interesting point Hugh. And I agree that Boris hasn't acted in the spirit of 'the game.' But here's a question; if the evidence isn't there and the court, as you say, is saying we think you're guilty, why can't the accused flip it around and say "that's slander/defamation of character. You prove it."

Maybe because Not Proven is a verdict that if challenged opens up the defendant to further investigation - and such evidence that was not available might then be available. I don't know if new evidence becomes admissible if the verdict is challenged - I suspect it might do under the 'we are watching you' aspect of the verdict - or maybe an appeal judge - in reconsidering the evidence - might reach a different conclusion - and not that which the defendant wants. So maybe contesting a 'Not Proven' verdict is something that a lawyer for a defendant might normally advise against.

Not proven is an acquittal and I understand that appeals can only be on 'points of law'. And Scots judgments are made on more than 'points of law'

http://theconversation.com/scotland...when-lack-of-evidence-fails-to-convict-108286

 

[Griffsters]

But, even if you are correct.... the issue is the constant "crash out" cobblers, about everything stopping in the absence of a Deal. Inestingly, talks are in progress to limit the current level of tariffs.

You seem to be conflating a no deal brexit with future trade talks and comparing them to Australia?

Issues so complex they require experts in their field to unravel - this is the problem with Brexit. Many have dispensed with expert opinion because it doesn't match their deeply entrenched bias. So, people post all manner of bollocks that your average layman doesn't have the knowledge to unravel and the poster is oblivious to their ignorance.

 

[spongebob59]

Good summation of today's court proceeding s

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-17...pm-or-mps-are-sovereign-writes-robert-peston/

 

[Deleted member 18645]

Brexiteers are 'insular, closed and selfish' says Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson

Which is pretty rich coming from someone who has already decided to never accept a vote to leave no matter what majority of people voted for it. She really is utterly deluded.

 

[Hobbit]

Maybe because Not Proven is a verdict that if challenged opens up the defendant to further investigation - and such evidence that was not available might then be available. I don't know if new evidence becomes admissible if the verdict is challenged - I suspect it might do under the 'we are watching you' aspect of the verdict - or maybe an appeal judge - in reconsidering the evidence - might reach a different conclusion - and not that which the defendant wants. So maybe contesting a 'Not Proven' verdict is something that a lawyer for a defendant might normally advise against.

Not proven is an acquittal and I understand that appeals can only be on 'points of law'. And Scots judgments are made on more than 'points of law'

http://theconversation.com/scotland...when-lack-of-evidence-fails-to-convict-108286

Didn't Scott call it the Bastard Verdict, too open to interpretation by both sides. In this case, without a jury, if someone as learned as a judge can't decide I'm more inclined to think it an innocent verdict.

And without evidence it becomes his word against their word. And in those circumstances the judgement carries a bias.

Don't get me wrong, I think Johnson is as guilty as sin but the guilty verdict is an educated guess - there's no hard evidence to support it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Unbelievable:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1173974198810755073

 

[robinthehood]

Unbelievable:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1173974198810755073

Doing brexiteers proud since 2016

 

[User62651]

Doing brexiteers proud since 2016

These types do the Leave side no favours at all, just reinforces stereotypes which is a shame. Protest by all means but keep it civil.

 

[Jamesbrown]

Unbelievable:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1173974198810755073

Unbelievable:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1173974198810755073

Freedom of speech. Even scruffy cretins have a voice but they have every right to be annoyed regardless of what council estate they was dragged up from.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Freedom of speech. Even scruffy cretins have a voice but they have every right to be annoyed regardless of what council estate they was dragged up from.

Racist Abuse isn’t freedom of speech, and nobody said they don’t have a right to be annoyed.

Nice to see you stereotypeing them though!

 

[Griffsters]

Brexiteers are 'insular, closed and selfish' says Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson

Which is pretty rich coming from someone who has already decided to never accept a vote to leave no matter what majority of people voted for it. She really is utterly deluded.

To be fair, at least its a clear position. If they win the election they revoke and as they are clearly campaigning on that and it is their policy it would be a democratic mandate whether you like it or not.

The irony being that the referendum was advisory, if it had been binding it would have been revoked due to irregularities with the campaign and minor issue of people being lied to. Like they still are.

 

[Hobbit]

To be fair, at least its a clear position. If they win the election they revoke and as they are clearly campaigning on that and it is their policy it would be a democratic mandate whether you like it or not.

The irony being that the referendum was advisory, if it had been binding it would have been revoked due to irregularities with the campaign and minor issue of people being lied to. Like they still are.

But would the Leave verdict be reinstated due to Cameron's and Osbourne's lies?

 

[Dando]

To be fair, at least its a clear position. If they win the election they revoke and as they are clearly campaigning on that and it is their policy it would be a democratic mandate whether you like it or not.

The irony being that the referendum was advisory, if it had been binding it would have been revoked due to irregularities with the campaign and minor issue of people being lied to. Like they still are.

Give the “advisory” and “non binding” crap a rest as it’s boring
We were promised that the result would be implemented

 

[Dando]

But would the Leave verdict be reinstated due to Cameron's and Osbourne's lies?

The remain side only had “mis truths”

 

[Griffsters]

But would the Leave verdict be reinstated due to Cameron's and Osbourne's lies?

Who knows, its all hypothetical - maybe the referendum would have been re-run. It probably depends if a court ruled the remain campaign was illegal like the Leave campaign was ruled.

 

[Griffsters]

Give the “advisory” and “non binding” crap a rest as it’s boring
We were promised that the result would be implemented

Facts can be a tad boring and inconvenient sometimes - particularly if they challenge long held bias.

 

[robinthehood]

Brexiteers are 'insular, closed and selfish' says Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson

Which is pretty rich coming from someone who has already decided to never accept a vote to leave no matter what majority of people voted for it. She really is utterly deluded.

It's worse than that Jim

https://twitter.com/x/status/1173974198810755073

 

[Deleted member 18121]

These types do the Leave side no favours at all, just reinforces stereotypes which is a shame. Protest by all means but keep it civil.

The cynic in me wonders if they really are Brexit supporters.... Would you put it past the remainers to plant these people? I wouldn't.

 

[robinthehood]

The cynic in me wonders if they really are Brexit supporters.... Would you put it past the remainers to plant these people? I wouldn't.

😂😂😂
Oof
I really have heard it all now.