Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Wilson]

How many on this thread are under 45

🙋‍♂️

 

[Wilson]

And we voted to leave, and won 😀😀

Do you think you’d win now, with all the information that’s come out since?

 

[chrisd]

Do you think you’d win now, with all the information that’s come out since?

Yes

 

[Jamesbrown]

Do you think you’d win now, with all the information that’s come out since?

What’s this information?
I’m sure anyone would expect some disruption when leaving a “trading bloc”.
I certainly wasn’t expecting sabotage from those who voted/want differently though.

 

[SocketRocket]

Do you think you’d win now, with all the information that’s come out since?

Like many MPs acting like tin gods and breaking their promises to us.
Like so many people who voted Remain not accepting their vote lost.
Like the job losses we were promised not happening.
Like the deep recession predicted after the vote that never materialised.
Like the sky that didn't fall in.

Oh yes! We have so much more information now 🙄

 

[robinthehood]

Yes sorry maybe wrong term used.
But you are rubbishing something you can’t possibly predict.

Yet you seem quite confident in predicting its creation..

 

[SocketRocket]

That blue and gold stars EU flag has been used every Ryder Cup since 1991 at Kiawah, hardly new. Used to be a time when no-one gave a jot, just pulled together to try and beat the Yanks. How times have changed, expect some on here would prefer UK golfers to team up with the Americans

What a good Idea They seem to like us as well.

 

[IanM]

That makes Federalism ok then?

Notice how the players draped themselves in their national flags asap for the presentation

 

[IanM]

Yes, to stay in the EU.

I think many voted to remain in a Common Market.....not a remake of the USSR

 

[chrisd]

What was used before that ?

Up to 1979 it was just GB&I so, national flags/Union Jack

 

[IanM]

European Tour - who you are playing for in Ryder Cup

Europe - a continent , a geographical land mass

The Common Market - what we joined in the 70s. Now known to be a fraudulent smoke screen for the creation of a Federal Europe

The EU - an attempt to set up a Federal Junta


...just thought I'd clarify for those citing the Ryder Cup as a reason to vote Remain!

 

[clubchamp98]

Yet you seem quite confident in predicting its creation..

That’s the problem everyone’s guessing.!

But collaborating is happening already so imo it’s a matter of time.
In yours it’s not .
Nobody knows!

 

[IanM]

Do you think you’d win now, with all the information that’s come out since?

With the behaviour of the EU leaders, MPs ignoring their constituents, more openness about removing power from member states, lies about travel and rights to stay, lies about trade balance, information about the the true extent of debt across the Eurozone?

Mmm why do you think the "2nd Ref lobby" are so desperate to have 3 options on the Ballot?

 

[chrisd]

European Tour - who you are playing for in Ryder Cup

Europe - a continent , a geographical land mass

The Common Market - what we joined in the 70s. Now known to be a fraudulent smoke screen for the creation of a Federal Europe

The EU - an attempt to set up a Federal Junta


...just thought I'd clarify for those citing the Ryder Cup as a reason to vote Remain!

Absolutely, it's quite possible to play in the Ryder Cup as a European but not be from an EU member country

 

[Lord Tyrion]

There are some funny posts today on the BBC website regarding the Supreme Court sitting today:


There’s going to be a lot of misinformation over the next few days about the Supreme Court, so as a public service, I’d invite lawyers to share some little-known legal facts. I’ll start:

Each Supreme Court judge enters court to their own Diana Ross song.#SupremeCourtFacts

The eleven of the twelve judges sitting are the first team

The twelfth sits in a dugout out of camera view fully kitted up and ready to deputise, and is formally known as Justice Supersub

All Supreme Court judges must be wider at the bottom than at the top. This prevents them from being overturned.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Any legal eagles know how the Loyalists case against LBJ's rebels is going.
Lots of faffing about with different numbered pages last time I looked in.

 

[spongebob59]

One Supreme Court judge asks the reasonable question why this is a matter for the court, when MPs failed to exercise their right to throw out the PM through vote of no confidence to ward off the prorogation. I think this will turn out to be important Pannick’s response is that his argument is a pure matter of law, that the PM advised the Queen illegally. And that therefore the failure of MPs to throw out Johnson is neither here nor there.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think it important to understand that Scottish Law is very different in many ways from English Law. The place of Common Law/Precedent and hence 'Spirit of law' has a much greater importance in Scots Law and judgements than it has in English Law - and hence - as I understand it - why the Scots Session Court were able to reach the decision that they did. There was nothing weird or out of order i their decision.

This difference is probably most obviously manifest in the Scots criminal court judgement of 'Not Proven'. In other words - 'we know you did it though the evidence isn't there to prove your guilt. But don't be under any misapprehension - we know you did it and we are watching you'.

In some ways that is perhaps what the Scots court found about Johnson. We know what you did and why you did it. That we cannot prove illegality on your part in breach of any legal statute - that does not stop us coming to that conclusion.

 

[chrisd]

I think it important to understand that Scottish Law is very different in many ways from English Law. The place of Common Law/Precedent and hence 'Spirit of law' has a much greater importance in Scots Law and judgements than it has in English Law - and hence - as I understand it - why the Scots Session Court were able to reach the decision that they did. There was nothing weird or out of order i their decision.

This difference is probably most obviously manifest in the Scots criminal court judgement of 'Not Proven'. In other words - 'we know you did it though the evidence isn't there to prove your guilt. But don't be under any misapprehension - we know you did it and we are watching you'.

In some ways that is perhaps what the Scots court found about Johnson. We know what you did and why you did it. That we cannot prove illegality on your part in breach of any legal statute - that does not stop us coming to that conclusion.

But maybe all of the facts were right - it might have been to lessen the term of Parliament, to also allow a Queens speech and a reset of Parliament but unless a Court can prove it was only to deny MP's the time to debate Brexit then I dont see how they can allow the cases to succeed. Maybe, it was initially to enable the Queens speech and Boris struck lucky with being able to gain a few extra days👍. Anyhow, Parliament would still have closed down for the party conference season.

 

[IanM]

Did I read it wrong, or did the Government not enter a defence for the second Scottish Challenge as the first had already been dismissed?

UK Judges have been heavily pro Europe in the past so the next event will be amusing!

Meanwhile, quiz question: Australia has "No Deal" with the EU. How much trade did it do with the EU last year?