Foxholer
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Collaborating is fine - up to a point! Joint European Union Military Project (as per that quote? I'm strongly anti!
H'mm! Not entirely certain about that!
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Currently, the UK still has a veto on military policy in the EU.
Although the Lisbon Treaty has changed what the qualified majority rules are, and lowered the benchmark for laws to be passed, the forming of an EU army falls outside of the Lisbon Treaty.
Whether its being done by the back door, as the EU expands its Security and Defence policy, thats open to each individual's interpretation. And whether a future UK govt, assuming Brexit doesn't happen, decides to go along with a formation of an EU army, who knows...
Although the Lisbon Treaty has changed what the qualified majority rules are, and lowered the benchmark for laws to be passed, the forming of an EU army falls outside of the Lisbon Treaty.
Whether its being done by the back door, as the EU expands its Security and Defence policy, thats open to each individual's interpretation. And whether a future UK govt, assuming Brexit doesn't happen, decides to go along with a formation of an EU army, who knows...
Blue in Munich
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Was talking to an old colleague about the EU Army and he doesn’t see a formal one being constructed but more a collaboration in the same way Forces work together with NATO etc - especially from the UK , even if/when we do leave EU we will still work alongside them.
robinthehood
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No, they based them on far far far worse crap than this.Stop it Brian, people based their votes on this crap...
Blue in Munich
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How do you know what they based their votes on; and was that any worse than Sophie telling us the best thing about the EU was the NHS?
robinthehood
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The demographics of how/why people voted are freely available.
MegaSteve
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Brussels is no different to any other bureaucracy... Won't be satisfied until world domination is achieved 😕...
and people say leavers were thick
Blue in Munich
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You mean the opinions of those conducting the studies are freely available, which isn't the same thing.
chrisd
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I'm pretty sure my ballot paper didn't ask why I voted the way I did
Blue in Munich
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Like the relative of mine that voted Remain on the basis of how much money the EU give us, completely overlooking the fact that they give us back about a quarter of what we give them.
But like you say mate, it's only the Leavers that were thick.
SocketRocket
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Correct and no one has asked me since.
robinthehood
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How many of the people who voted leave in this thread are under 45?
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To be honest this is why it's important that we live in a democracy.... Or whatever it is we live in today (according to the lib Dems).
People's knowledge has gaps depending on how interested they are in the subject and what their sources are.... For instance I wouldn't expect anyone that uses the BBC as their knowledge base to have a balanced view.
Also, just think that even to this day people still believe that the bus told the leavers that we'd put £350m a week into the NHS, because it fits their agenda. It honestly baffles me that the arguments are so so weak.[/QUOTE]
Wilson
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I don’t know anyone that wanted federalism, that’s a silly statement.
As for the EU Army, as Woody69 has posted this isn’t likely to happen, I’m all for closer working, especially if there is money to be saved, which can go to restoring some of the cuts the Government have made in the last 10 years.
chrisd
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But surely they knew what they were voting for when they voted remain??
jp5
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SocketRocket
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Most of the people parading outside Parliament, at LibDem conference and members of Momentum look like their not spring chickens. Anyhow why does it matter, are people over 45 not experienced in worldly matters and bringing life experience to the debate.
robinthehood
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The point is the demographics are pretty good 😉
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