Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

These types do the Leave side no favours at all, just reinforces stereotypes which is a shame. Protest by all means but keep it civil.

True but unfortunately there appears to suit one on here who apart from one liners rarely offers anything constructive, I think he's in the Jo Swinson arrogant trough.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Careful you dont explode that irony meter again.

Once again SR shows his hypocrisy side by posting in the style that he does nothing but whinge about 🙄

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I already said I did. Honestly I think it's naive to discount it as an option.... We don't live in a fluffy utopia where people in power won't do whatever it takes to discredit the opposition to get the win.

So instead of condemning the actions you look to potentially place the blame on leavers instead - that says it all about this whole sorry 3 years

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I’m surprised you can even see us plebs from that high horse you’re never off. And I wasn’t deflecting, just saying that all sides are at it. You took it down to deflecting blame.

Do you honestly think anyone on here defends nazism and racial abuse? I’ve not seen anyone defend it.

But as for annoying protesters, I’ve stopped watching the Beeb’s live broadcasts from Parliament Square because of that idiot Remainer with the megaphone.

“Us plebs” - I don’t recall my post being aimed at you in anyway shape or form

I never said “you” were deflecting anything , i also never said anyone was “defending nazism and racist abuse”

And my posts finished off by saying many are as low as each other “On both sides” 🙄

 

[Deleted member 18121]

So instead of condemning the actions you look to potentially place the blame on leavers instead - that says it all about this whole sorry 3 years

Sorry Phil, I'll make sure to check with you on posting protocol in the future.

Get over yourself.

 

[Hobbit]

I can’t believe people on this forum, regardless of how they voted in the referendum, aren’t simply condemning the behaviour and language in that video.

Post a video of the Lib Dem leader or one of the EU ministers making a statement and people are all over it.

People defending it or questioning who’s behind it is beyond me.......still, didn’t take long to bring Labour in to it.

Aren't people allowed to post up different slants? Isn't that what a debate is. Why can't the debate be broaden out?

Why can't people post up their views on John McDonnell's incitement. Personally, I see them as peas in the same pod. If you think McDonnell's incitement is ok doesn't that mean you're also defending a type of protest that goes beyond the normally accepted protests?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Aren't people allowed to post up different slants? Isn't that what a debate is. Why can't the debate be broaden out?

Why can't people post up their views on John McDonnell's incitement. Personally, I see them as peas in the same pod. If you think McDonnell's incitement is ok doesn't that mean you're also defending a type of protest that goes beyond the normally accepted protests?

What has McDonnell got to do with that video? Nothing, absolutely nothing, all started by 1 poster saying it wouldn’t be a surprise if that protest was organised by somebody in the leave campaign, that then jumped to a politician and then the leap to McDonnell, talk about a dodgy trail.

If you want to discuss McDonnell and Momentum fill your boots, but to somehow link it to that video is unreal.

Some posters have had a dig at LP and others, but yet have stayed silent on that video, that speaks volumes to me.

 

[SocketRocket]

Once again SR shows his hypocrisy side by posting in the style that he does nothing but whinge about 🙄

It just exploded. What's the weather like up there on that horse, you constantly take your sanctimonious stance with anyone who dares to have an opinion different to your own then start blabbing when challenged 🙄

 

[Old Skier]

There seem to be the odd poster with double standards of here. Not a word of condemnation against the stereotype image of leavers by the leader of the Lib Dems and her N Devon candidate. Statements that they have been making unfortunately bring out the worst in people and although nobody can condone the idiots in the video it's easy to understand why people get a tad upset.

It's unfortunate that there are some small minded people that can't see it's a minority and most leavers like remainers are normal.

 

[Beezerk]

I'll know to skip the next 5 pages of utter bowlocks now the thread anchor is on the scene

 

[Hobbit]

What has McDonnell got to do with that video? Nothing, absolutely nothing, all started by 1 poster saying it wouldn’t be a surprise if that protest was organised by somebody in the leave campaign, that then jumped to a politician and then the leap to McDonnell, talk about a dodgy trail.

If you want to discuss McDonnell and Momentum fill your boots, but to somehow link it to that video is unreal.

Some posters have had a dig at LP and others, but yet have stayed silent on that video, that speaks volumes to me.

You're drawing conclusions without evidence. Some people, me for one, haven't bothered watching it with the sound on. If someone says its racist, I for one aren't arguing with that. And yes I abhor it to the nth degree - satisfied? However, you want a narrow debate and I widened it. You don't draw up the rules on the debate, as I don't. If you don't like the fact I broadened it, tough. Disagree with me by all means but don't try and censor me for it.

Your defence of Labour, on countless occasions, is almost becoming obsessive. I label McDonnell, not Corbyn, as bad and as dangerous as those that are in that vid. For me, he's almost a Himmler, and given power if in govt he actually, genuinely scares me. Do I think McDonnell could incite and organise violent protests. I doubt he'd organise one but he knows his target audience, and if he says people should go and protest at xx, he knows he'll get the extremists there as well as the more respectable protesters.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What has McDonnell done recently ( obviously not his history which is a disgrace in regards his links to IRA ) ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You're drawing conclusions without evidence. Some people, me for one, haven't bothered watching it with the sound on. If someone says its racist, I for one aren't arguing with that. And yes I abhor it to the nth degree - satisfied? However, you want a narrow debate and I widened it. You don't draw up the rules on the debate, as I don't. If you don't like the fact I broadened it, tough. Disagree with me by all means but don't try and censor me for it.

Your defence of Labour, on countless occasions, is almost becoming obsessive. I label McDonnell, not Corbyn, as bad and as dangerous as those that are in that vid. For me, he's almost a Himmler, and given power if in govt he actually, genuinely scares me. Do I think McDonnell could incite and organise violent protests. I doubt he'd organise one but he knows his target audience, and if he says people should go and protest at xx, he knows he'll get the extremists there as well as the more respectable protesters.

I still don’t understand what McDonnell has to do with that video! How many politicians are on the remain side? Yet you go on McDonnell and what he’s said previously.
Exactly who politicised that video?

As I posted previously, that video is a disgrace regardless of how anyone voted in the referendum or what their political persuasion is.

But no worries, once again me asking a question is seen as defending Labour, one final question, I’ll make a £50.00 donation to H4H if you can show were I’ve defended Labour or McDonnell tonight.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What has McDonnell done recently ( obviously not his history which is a disgrace in regards his links to IRA ) ?

He publicly stated people should bring chaos to the streets in protest against the PM.
He’s a scum bag who Labour need rid of.

 

[Old Skier]

What has McDonnell done recently ( obviously not his history which is a disgrace in regards his links to IRA ) ?

Gave an interview recently were he was asking for mass public disorder meetings in London I seem to remember.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He publicly stated people should bring chaos to the streets in protest against the PM.
He’s a scum bag who Labour need rid of.

Gave an interview recently were he was asking for mass public disorder meetings in London I seem to remember.

Just about sums him up - the man has always been a disgrace and just adds to the joke that is the Labour leadership and shadow cabinet - spouting that sort of rubbish should come with a punishment

 

[Old Skier]

Just about sums him up - the man has always been a disgrace and just adds to the joke that is the Labour leadership and shadow cabinet - spouting that sort of rubbish should come with a punishment

He would then complain that there aren't enough brave policemen to deal with the riots

 

[Hitdaball]

There seem to be the odd poster with double standards of here. Not a word of condemnation against the stereotype image of leavers by the leader of the Lib Dems and her N Devon candidate. Statements that they have been making unfortunately bring out the worst in people and although nobody can condone the idiots in the video it's easy to understand why people get a tad upset.

It's unfortunate that there are some small minded people that can't see it's a minority and most leavers like remainers are normal.

It’s easy to understand people making nazi salutes and shouting left wing scum at the judiciary? What a load of horse *** mate.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The cynic in me wonders if they really are Brexit supporters.... Would you put it past the remainers to plant these people? I wouldn't.

Jings, heard it all now. Deary me.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Interesting level of support for Jo Swinson on the Metro letters page this morning. Apparently if the Limp Dims get in and cancel Brexit, that will be democracy because the people voted them in.

I love the way that these people can completely ignore my the results of democratic votes that don’t go their way in favour of those that do.

What’s more worrying is the fact that none of them appear to be able to see past Swinson using the current situation to her advantage by making this offer. We know little or nothing else of what else they propose but on the basis of one issue they are doing quite well.