Blue in Munich
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Far too sensible, no chance of that being adopted, sadly.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Far too sensible, no chance of that being adopted, sadly.
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Getting bored of these Tory give away budgets now to try and blindside voters into “your better off under us†it’s lovely to have an extra £30 pcm (£70 saved in tax but £40 more NI) , these are with next years changes ofc, however I’d rather you take that extra £30 and maybe fund some under funded schools.. or the nhs.. or anything really
My wife is £10 more pcm better off
So that £40 let’s call it on average £20 per house hold in the uk a month .. that’s £240 a year tax saved.. again let’s round down call it £200 per house hold per year
27 million households in the uk
£200 per house hold
That’s
£5400000000 per year that could be far better used! Considering people are paying this now their used to it.. weren’t expecting anything so just leave it alone and use the money!
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that what taxes are for? To pay for things?!
My wife is £10 more pcm better off
So that £40 let’s call it on average £20 per house hold in the uk a month .. that’s £240 a year tax saved.. again let’s round down call it £200 per house hold per year
27 million households in the uk
£200 per house hold
That’s
£5400000000 per year that could be far better used! Considering people are paying this now their used to it.. weren’t expecting anything so just leave it alone and use the money!
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that what taxes are for? To pay for things?!
Fade and Die
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Yes I read it, I particularly agree with this comment “With this judgment, the ECtHR has effectively upheld Austria’s domestic laws that in effect criminalise legitimate speech about certain religionsâ€
Do you think that’s what the ECtHR should be doing? Are you happy that the ECtHR can’t be relied upon to intervene in favour of free speech.?
SocketRocket
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Taxes are to take your money off you and spend it on what someone else thinks it should be spent on. Why not keep it and spend it on things you want.
bluewolf
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Well that's my question avoided. I'll do you the courtesy of answering your question seeing as you seem intent on not answering mine.
The ECtHR have not really done that. It's the Austrian Law that has "criminalised legitimate speech about certain religions". The ECtHR has decided that they are entitled to do so. So, for that reason, I'm "Ok" with the decision. Isn't that something that Leavers have been complaining bitterly about? Sovereignty. I suspect that people would be up in arms if the ECtHR had overruled a Law in this Country. You can't have it both ways.
I should point out that the phrasing is fairly interesting. Why haven't they "criminalised hate speech about all religions"? It's almost as though the article is written as a dog whistle for certain elements to latch on to. Can't think why they'd do that 🤔
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all this reading on the taxes etc combined with the "should I buy a diesel thread" and the repercussions for fuel duty and vehicle duty in the long term got me thinking about how much money the government gets each year through those taxes, along with VAT etc etc
The estimated income for 2019 is £776bn ...... I'd love to know how that money is spent.
The estimated income for 2019 is £776bn ...... I'd love to know how that money is spent.
The biggest bills will be for the welfare state and the NHS. The welfare state bill is staggering
"In the financial year ending 2017, the UK government spent £264 billion on welfare, which made up 34% of all government spending." - Office of National Statistics.
NHS was approx £125bn in the same period.
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very very interesting figures. I was also just reading how we've spent £4bn on improving the roads and railways in other countries.....bearing in mind the state of our own.
Anyway.....I dont want to hijack this thread further!
bluewolf
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Not arguing at all but I'm at work and can't check. It would be interesting if you split up the "Welfare" costs into their individual sections. For example, pensions, in work benefits etc.
The reason this is vital is that when you simply state "Welfare", some people immediately assume that it's out of work benefits that you're talking about
Sorry, I wasn't trying to make a point, just answering the question. You are correct, welfare covers a huge area, not just work benefits. I googled it and this came up from the Office of National Statistics. There may be a way to break it down further but I just did a quick check. No angle to it.
bluewolf
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Just did a quick google..
Makes for very interesting reading..
Makes for very interesting reading..
YandaB
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There is a pretty good breakdown here: https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/year_spending_2017UKbt_17bc1n_40#ukgs302 and this includes local government spend too. I don't know what political angle this comes from (most things have one) but the headlines were: Pensions 20%, Health Care 18%, Welfare 14% (which has been broken down further in the list to Social Exclusion?, Social Protection?, Family, Housing and least of all Unemployment), Education 11%, Defence 6%, Interest 6%, Protection (Police, Fire, Law, Prisons ...) 4%, Transport 4%, Central Government 2% and Others at 15%.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Kinda the flip side of how overseas rail companies and governments make quite a few ££,£££,£££s out of running our rail franchises. Nuts!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Just loving Aaron Banks...
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Well - if ST report is true is that BINO? Mind you anything that has Peter Bone frothing and the mouth should have me celebrating - and with Arron Banks squirming and avoiding on Marr I could be doubly so. But we seem to be damage limitation country - where there is little being talked of the great future - but quite a lot that seems to be the least worse option. Best damage limitation exercise? Don't do it.
Fade and Die
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The Banks witch-hunt is clearly part of a fresh Establishment push to discredit the Referendum result, cleverly coordinated to give the illusion of being popular demand for a “People’s Voteâ€.
I haven’t been able to switch on the TV recently without some supposed expert telling me another Referendum is the ONLY answer to stalemate in Parliament… a gridlock that I believe has been deliberately engendered by Olly Robbins and Appeaser May on behalf of her Remain Establishment masters.
And the remainers won’t leave anything to chance this time. It’ll be a full on fix from the start. The 2nd (3rd) referendum will be a choice between:
1. LEAVE – with a shocking BRINO deal, including £60billion golden goodbye compo to keep the 4th Reich in the manner to which it’s accustomed for the next 6 years.
2. REMAIN – and live to fight another day.
16 year olds+ will be bribed to vote Remain. EU Nationals who have been resident 5 years or more will be given a vote. All expats living in the EU will be given the vote. All Leaver posters will be locked up for the duration for Hate Crime.
What an appalling waste of money, emotional energy and time the last two and a half years has been.
SocketRocket
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The only thing I find interesting about it is that State pensions can be considered a benefit.
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bluewolf
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Are you expecting me to confirm something you already think?
It's interesting because I suspect that quite a few people think that Welfare is more to do with Out of Work benefits. I already said this in a previous post.
Out of interest, what prejudiced view did you expect me to have? I could hazard a guess but I'll admit if I'm wrong.
SocketRocket
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Ouch! Bit snappy tonight. I did rethink my post and edit it.
bluewolf
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It was written with a smile. And I was right as well.
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