Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 15344]

Why shouldnt products be at the same or better quality. Most car manufacturers make cars outside the EU and there are excellent quality cars made in countries like Japan, Corea and the USA and China. Most clothing is made outside the EU, good wines and so forth. As i have suggested, we will of course keep trading with the EU but they do not have a lever on supply, if they want to make it difficult to supply goods it wont be a problem.

Why are they going to be cheaper ? Transport costs are going to be a bit higher coming from further , car imports are huge from the EU with the golf being the second biggest seller in the UK and half the cars in the top ten I believe are from the EU.

You seriously think the cars from US , Canada are going to be cheaper and from China and Korea ( already import from there ) are going to be the same quality ?

 

[Slime]

EU is by far our biggest trading partner

It may well be, but leaving doesn't mean we are banned from trading with them.
Once we've left the EU may well remain our biggest trading partner.

 

[SocketRocket]

It may well be, but leaving doesn't mean we are banned from trading with them.
Once we've left the EU may well remain our biggest trading partner.

It will.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It may well be, but leaving doesn't mean we are banned from trading with them.
Once we've left the EU may well remain our biggest trading partner.

How much extra do you think it will cost us ?

 

[Slime]

Why are they going to be cheaper ? Transport costs are going to be a bit higher coming from further , car imports are huge from the EU with the golf being the second biggest seller in the UK and half the cars in the top ten I believe are from the EU.

You seriously think the cars from US , Canada are going to be cheaper and from China and Korea ( already import from there ) are going to be the same quality ?

I've had Korean cars for several years now and they've been easily as good in quality as any of the European cars I've had.

 

[MegaSteve]

Why are they going to be cheaper ? Transport costs are going to be a bit higher coming from further , car imports are huge from the EU with the golf being the second biggest seller in the UK and half the cars in the top ten I believe are from the UK.

You seriously think the cars from US , Canada are going to be cheaper and from China and Korea ( already import from there ) are going to be the same quality ?

Well, the Koreans have enough faith in their product to offer five year warranties unlike the supposed 'quality' German marques...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I've had Korean cars for several years now and they've been easily as good in quality as any of the European cars I've had.

So we are already importing them ? And whilst Hyundai and Kia make very good cars - they aren’t at the level of the BMW’s etc

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I've had Korean cars for several years now and they've been easily as good in quality as any of the European cars I've had.

There lies the problem though.: the japs and the Koreans make better cars in terms of reliability yet people want to pay for the badge

Give me a Lexus over a bmw any day of the week but people prefer the brand

 

[SocketRocket]

Why are they going to be cheaper ? Transport costs are going to be a bit higher coming from further , car imports are huge from the EU with the golf being the second biggest seller in the UK and half the cars in the top ten I believe are from the EU.

You seriously think the cars from US , Canada are going to be cheaper and from China and Korea ( already import from there ) are going to be the same quality ?

Are you kidding. Are you really suggesting cars made in countries like Japan , Korea, the Usa and China are lower quality? As i have already explained they make BMWs in the USA, Canada, India and China. I wasnt only talking about cars, the EU is a protectionist outfit and applies tariffs to imports so they can protect inefficient industries like farming, if we were out the EU we could buy these products without high import tariffs added. The same goes for clothing and many products.

 

[drdel]

Red herring - You need to recognise that the showroom price of a car is not based on manufactured cost but what the market will bear (just like pretty much everything else).

For example BMW make X5 in North America and happily ship to UK with a healthy markup as do many other manufacturing companies. Cost minimisation is a completely different strategy.

 

[drdel]

Why are they going to be cheaper ? Transport costs are going to be a bit higher coming from further , car imports are huge from the EU with the golf being the second biggest seller in the UK and half the cars in the top ten I believe are from the EU.

You seriously think the cars from US , Canada are going to be cheaper and from China and Korea ( already import from there ) are going to be the same quality ?

Red herring - You need to recognise that the showroom price of a car is not based on manufactured cost but what the market will bear (just like pretty much everything else).

For example BMW make X5 in North America and happily ship to UK with a healthy markup as do many other manufacturing companies. Cost minimisation is a completely different strategy.

 

[Leftie]

You seriously think the cars from US , Canada are going to be cheaper and from China and Korea ( already import from there ) are going to be the same quality ?

If quality is linked to reliability, I don't know why anyone would want to buy a Merc or BMW. 30th and 31st respectively in Warrenty Direct's reliability list.

https://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

Porche came 37th out of 40 - but we all know why some men buy Porches (and BMW's) , don't we

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you kidding. Are you really suggesting cars made in countries like Japan , Korea, the Usa and China are lower quality? As i have already explained they make BMWs in the USA, Canada, India and China. I wasnt only talking about cars, the EU is a protectionist outfit and applies tariffs to imports so they can protect inefficient industries like farming, if we were out the EU we could buy these products without high import tariffs added. The same goes for clothing and many products.

Cars was just a example and it’s pretty good one - my wife has a Kia and it’s a decent car but the equivalent German is a better quality car. BMW make cars outside the EU for outside the EU market - we aren’t going to suddenly start importing the BMW from the factory in the US any cheaper - but indirectly it’s still from the EU company is it not ?

We already import cars from Japan or they build them in the UK already , Korea we import already

Which Indian and Chinese makes will replace the German or French makes ?

Do you really think it’s cheap to import a US car ? There is nothing stopping people importing US cars already but they don’t really make models that are suitable for the UK market
You stated that we could replace any imports we have from the EU cheaper from outside the EU - so as I asked , why would they be cheaper ? Why wouldn’t we already be importing these items if they are cheaper for us ?

You are making “statements” of fact without actually knowing if it will happen or not. I don’t understand this belief that everything becomes cheaper for the same product - we aren’t banned from importing from outside the EU

 

[Hobbit]

So we are already importing them ? And whilst Hyundai and Kia make very good cars - they aren’t at the level of the BMW’s etc

My last company car was a BMW 420 gran coupe - its was like stepping back in time. It was cwap. My current car is a Kia Niro hybrid. I'd happily buy another. I wouldn't buy a BMW. I'd never, ever have another Merc. I would have another Audi A6.

I wonder why Kia give a 7 year warranty? A flawed marketing ploy for a product that falls apart?

By the way, Kia's imported into the EU don't have a tariff applied. The UK won't buy models of cars they can buy now any cheaper post-Brexit.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If quality is linked to reliability, I don't know why anyone would want to buy a Merc or BMW. 30th and 31st respectively in Warrenty Direct's reliability list.

https://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

Porche came 37th out of 40 - but we all know why some men buy Porches (and BMW's) , don't we

People want the VW’s , the Mercs etc - they are popular along with the Fords - I personally wouldn’t buy one but many do

 

[USER1999]

Have a Merc, and two BMWs. Love them all, and would not buy anything else.

That said, my Chrysler was ridiculously cheap to run, and reliable too.

 

[SocketRocket]

Cars was just a example and it’s pretty good one - my wife has a Kia and it’s a decent car but the equivalent German is a better quality car. BMW make cars outside the EU for outside the EU market - we aren’t going to suddenly start importing the BMW from the factory in the US any cheaper - but indirectly it’s still from the EU company is it not ?

We already import cars from Japan or they build them in the UK already , Korea we import already

Which Indian and Chinese makes will replace the German or French makes ?

Do you really think it’s cheap to import a US car ? There is nothing stopping people importing US cars already but they don’t really make models that are suitable for the UK market
You stated that we could replace any imports we have from the EU cheaper from outside the EU - so as I asked , why would they be cheaper ? Why wouldn’t we already be importing these items if they are cheaper for us ?

You are making “statements” of fact without actually knowing if it will happen or not. I don’t understand this belief that everything becomes cheaper for the same product - we aren’t banned from importing from outside the EU

Are you being deliberately obtuse. You picked up on a comment I made in reply to HK where he asked where we would get BMWs from if we didnt get them from the EU. I said we could get them from other countries where they are made outside the EU, the USA being one of them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you being deliberately obtuse. You picked up on a comment I made in reply to HK where he asked where we would get BMWs from if we didnt get them from the EU. I said we could get them from other countries where they are made outside the EU, the USA being one of them.

So I’ll ask again - why would it be cheaper to import a car made by an EU manufacturer from the US ?

Let’s use VW for example - they produce cars for local markets - one of their cars is the second best seller in the UK , how do we get it cheapet when we leave the EU

Just trying to find some substance behind your statement

most of our trade with the EU is with a few countries and we trade with a deficit. If I give you £10 and you give me back £8 is that sound ecconomics. There is nothing in the EU we can't get from the rest of the world and much of it cheaper.

I believe Automobiles are our second biggest import into the UK ? So why are we going to get those automobiles cheaper that we import from the EU from outside the EU ?

 

[SocketRocket]

So I’ll ask again - why would it be cheaper to import a car made by an EU manufacturer from the US ?

Let’s use VW for example - they produce cars for local markets - one of their cars is the second best seller in the UK , how do we get it cheapet when we leave the EU

Just trying to find some substance behind your statement



I believe Automobiles are our second biggest import into the UK ? So why are we going to get those automobiles cheaper that we import from the EU from outside the EU ?

Try reading what i said. "There is nothing in the EU we can't get from the rest of the world and MUCH of it cheaper" I didn't say EVERYTHING cheaper. My point was we have nothing to fear regarding trade with the EU, we can get products to replace them if needed. Obviously not the exact same make but I didn't think anyone would be silly enough to suggest that. As i have explained to you more than once the BMWs from outside was another reply to HK but you seem to want to ignore that. Also, the EU don't have exclusivity on quality control, its now very good in most of the world.
I haven't suggested people don't buy VWs or BMWs, that would be stupid, I am saying if the EU wanted to make buying them difficult people have alternative choices and it would only be the EU manufacturers that would suffer.

Regarding the price of imported automobiles, if we imported them from outside the EU with zero tariffs then they could be cheaper than what we pay now as we have to apply EU tariffs.

 

[Hobbit]

So I’ll ask again - why would it be cheaper to import a car made by an EU manufacturer from the US ?

Let’s use VW for example - they produce cars for local markets - one of their cars is the second best seller in the UK , how do we get it cheapet when we leave the EU

Just trying to find some substance behind your statement



I believe Automobiles are our second biggest import into the UK ? So why are we going to get those automobiles cheaper that we import from the EU from outside the EU ?

http://madb.europa.eu/madb/indexPubli.htm

Above is the EU Commission's own database on tariffs.

2 quick ones. There isn't tariffs on cars from South Korea, e.g. Kia & Hyundai. There is a 10% tariff on cars from the USA.

As a separate issue, VAT. A minimum uniform VAT rate is set by the EU. Potentially, post-Brexit the VAT rate could be 'played with.'