Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 21784]

It isn't a tweet but might be worth a nosey
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-to-non-eu-countries-continue-to-outstrip-eu

Interesting read

Especially the USA part as in the tweet it was at 64 billion, it’s double that on this link

 

[Hobbit]

That tweet shows the issue not my fault people don’t understand that they at the moment are more than all our other exports put together

Even a 20% fall in sales to them through brexit (not saying a complete no trade agreement) but say knock 20% off due to it becoming more difficult or any reason would damage our economy .. that would be over 70 billion wiped out just 20%... now put that in perspective .. 20% off that would be the same as knocking off 50% the rest of the world .. I don’t see the 20% being made up so easy ..

That’s why it’s so important

Any % knock off would be huge as they are our biggest customer

You are 100% right. Any drop in sales will have horrendous impact. Its all well and good someone saying it might only be 5%, but that might mean one particular business sees and increase in business due to there no longer being any EU tariffs but another business might see a 70% drop.

What I was alluding to was it is inaccurate spin.

Since the vote in 2016 the balance of exports has shifted. The UK actually exports more to the rest of the world than it does to the EU.

What you posted was, imo, another version of the bus. Grab a few facts and spin an inaccurate story out of them.

We all have our own opinions of Farage/Johnson and the bus. We all know it was spin, exactly the same as the tweet you put up. You bought into it just as others bought into the bus graphic.

 

[Hobbit]

And there it is, a fact a chart or whatever gets posted and the same old faces rush out to dismiss it with either with project fear or just a plain old insult. I guess if you don't see the underlying point in the tweet you really aren't the intelligent person you'd like us to believe you are.

I see the point. But you are blind to the fact it is no different to the bus graphic. Nice to see you're as thick as me.... but I didn't doubt that anyway.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You are 100% right. Any drop in sales will have horrendous impact. Its all well and good someone saying it might only be 5%, but that might mean one particular business sees and increase in business due to there no longer being any EU tariffs but another business might see a 70% drop.

What I was alluding to was it is inaccurate spin.

Since the vote in 2016 the balance of exports has shifted. The UK actually exports more to the rest of the world than it does to the EU.

What you posted was, imo, another version of the bus. Grab a few facts and spin an inaccurate story out of them.

We all have our own opinions of Farage/Johnson and the bus. We all know it was spin, exactly the same as the tweet you put up. You bought into it just as others bought into the bus graphic.

Even with the figures wrong it makes for grim reading doesn’t it? If the Eu are our biggest export than we may trade more to others but any hit to our biggest buyer can’t be good

 

[robinthehood]

I see the point. But you are blind to the fact it is no different to the bus graphic. Nice to see you're as thick as me.... but I didn't doubt that anyway.

Deary me you just can't help your self. Its like catnip 🤣🤣

 

[Hobbit]

Even with the figures wrong it makes for grim reading doesn’t it? If the Eu are our biggest export than we may trade more to others but any hit to our biggest buyer can’t be good

Can you not read? The EU isn't our greatest market. It was 3 years ago but it isn't now.

You posted a tweet that is inaccurate, and I compared it with the much(rightfully) discredited bus graphic. The point you're making about any loss of business I totally agree with.

 

[Hobbit]

Deary me you just can't help your self. Its like catnip 🤣🤣

Yep, I'm a sucker for an idiot...

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Can you not read? The EU isn't our greatest market. It was 3 years ago but it isn't now.

You posted a tweet that is inaccurate, and I compared it with the much(rightfully) discredited bus graphic. The point you're making about any loss of business I totally agree with.

It is tho is it not? As a single

The total of non Eu add to more than the Eu but the Eu as a single part is more than the USA is it not? Which are our second biggest aren’t they?

 

[jp5]

EU is by far our biggest trading partner

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Can you not read? The EU isn't our greatest market. It was 3 years ago but it isn't now.

You posted a tweet that is inaccurate, and I compared it with the much(rightfully) discredited bus graphic. The point you're making about any loss of business I totally agree with.

It is tho is it not? As a single

The total of non Eu add to more than the Eu but the Eu as a single part is more than the USA is it not? Which are our second biggest aren’t they?

Can you 2 you remainers stop arguing, you’re confusing us leavers.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

EU is by far our biggest trading partner

The simple fact of geography means this is always going to be the case. The politicians who don't see this really are clueless.

Leaving the EU is about damage limitation as far as business is concerned, particularly those exporting goods rather than services.

 

[SocketRocket]

It is tho is it not? As a single

The total of non Eu add to more than the Eu but the Eu as a single part is more than the USA is it not? Which are our second biggest aren’t they?

most of our trade with the EU is with a few countries and we trade with a deficit. If I give you £10 and you give me back £8 is that sound ecconomics. There is nothing in the EU we can't get from the rest of the world and much of it cheaper.

 

[Hacker Khan]

most of our trade with the EU is with a few countries and we trade with a deficit. If I give you £10 and you give me back £8 is that sound ecconomics. There is nothing in the EU we can't get from the rest of the world and much of it cheaper.

BMWs? Apparently they are very keen we keep buying them.

 

[SocketRocket]

It is tho is it not? As a single

The total of non Eu add to more than the Eu but the Eu as a single part is more than the USA is it not? Which are our second biggest aren’t they?

We trade with the EU with a trade defecit. We trade with the USA with a trade surplus.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

most of our trade with the EU is with a few countries and we trade with a deficit. If I give you £10 and you give me back £8 is that sound ecconomics. There is nothing in the EU we can't get from the rest of the world and much of it cheaper.

That’s a pretty bold statement surely ?

And if it’s cheaper will it be at the same quality ?

What will make the item that much cheaper ?

And I don’t think you can get all those French and German automobiles that seem to be popular from outside the EU

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That’s a pretty bold statement surely ?

And if it’s cheaper will it be at the same quality ?

What will make the item that much cheaper ?

And I don’t think you can get all those French and German automobiles that seem to be popular from outside the EU

Don’t see many Lexus’s compared to them for sure

 

[SocketRocket]

BMWs? Apparently they are very keen we keep buying them.

What about the ones they make in the USA, Canada, China and India.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What about the ones they make in the USA, Canada, China and India.

Which ones are they ?

 

[SocketRocket]

That’s a pretty bold statement surely ?

And if it’s cheaper will it be at the same quality ?

What will make the item that much cheaper ?

And I don’t think you can get all those French and German automobiles that seem to be popular from outside the EU

Why shouldnt products be at the same or better quality. Most car manufacturers make cars outside the EU and there are excellent quality cars made in countries like Japan, korea, the USA and China. Most clothing is made outside the EU, good wines and so forth. As i have suggested, we will of course keep trading with the EU but they do not have a lever on supply, if they want to make it difficult to supply goods it wont be a problem, but they wont as the few countries where most of our trade is carried out with the EU cant afford to damage it.

 

[SocketRocket]

Which ones are they ?

BMWs. Thats what he was talking about.