Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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SocketRocket said:
The life expectancy situation is only starting its downward trend. , obesity, diabetes, heart and liver desease are the way forward and there are more in the proletariat than the Bullington Club.

I purchased a very nice pint of Doombar at £2.50 in a local hostilary today, a very good British steak from Lidl that didnt max out the bank card all while wearing my UK made Burbry coat and Clarks shoes. If it all loaded my wallet by 90% I didn't notice.
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Ok.
Doombar is not British. It's brewed in Burton on Trent and owned by Molsen Coors.
Lidl is German and the steak is an example of goods that can't be made that much cheaper due to the factory farming methods and automation of the butchering process.
Burberry is a luxury goods seller and is not affordable to the majority of the population.
Clarkes shoes have been made in economic zones in China, India, Brazil and Vietnam for the last 12 years. They've only just opened a factory in Britain making desert boots this year. So if your shoes are not desert boots or are more than 6 months old then they're about as British as an iPhone.

Everything you've written illustrates my point beautifully 👍
 
The House of Commons:

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS: Right. Now, uh, item four: attainment of Britain’s exit from the EU within the next two years. Uh, Theresa, you've been doing some work on this.

THERESA MAY: Yeah. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Well, quite frankly, siblings, I think two years is optimistic, unless we can smash the EU empire within the next 5 days.

Mr SPEAKER: 5 days?

MAY: Yeah, 5 days. And, let's face it. As empires go, this is the big one, so we've got to get up off our arses and stop just talking about it!

MP’s: Hear! Hear!

JEREMY CORBYN: I agree. Its action that counts, not words, and we need action now.

MP’s: Hear! Hear!

Mr SPEAKER: You're right. We could sit around here all day talking, passing resolutions, making clever speeches. It's not going to shift one EU Resolution!

MAY: So, let's just stop gabbing on about it. It's completely pointless and it's getting us nowhere!

MP’s: Right!

CORBYN: I agree. This is a complete waste of time.

Bam door opens

BORIS JOHNSON: They've taken Nigel Farage!!

Mr SPEAKER: What?

MP’s: What?

BORIS: They've dragged him off! They're going to make him President of the EU!

Mr SPEAKER: Right! This calls for immediate discussion!

DAVID DAVIS: Yeah.

BORIS: What?!

JACOB REES-MOGG: Immediate.

DAVID DAVIS: Right.

PHILIP HAMMOND: New motion?

Mr SPEAKER: Completely new motion, eh, that, ah-- that there be, ah, immediate action--

MAY: Ah, once the vote has been taken.

Mr SPEAKER: Well, obviously once the vote's been taken Theresa. You can't act another resolution till you've voted on it...

BORIS: Mr Speaker, for God's sake, let's go now!

Mr SPEAKER: Yeah. Yeah.

BORIS: Please!

Mr SPEAKER: Right. Right.

THERESA MAY: Fine.

Mr SPEAKER: In the-- in the light of fresh information from, ahh, sibling Boris--

HAMMOND (writing): Ah, not so fast, Mr Speaker.

BORIS: Mr Speaker, for God's sake, it's perfectly simple. All you've got to do is to go out of that door now, and try to stop the EU electing him! It's happening, Mr Speaker! Something's actually happening, Can't you understand?! Ohhh!

Exits with door slam

Mr SPEAKER: Hm. Hm.

THERESA MAY: Oh, dear.

Mr SPEAKER: Hello. Another little ego trip for the feminists.

JACOB REES-MOGG: What?

THERESA MAY: whistling

Mr SPEAKER: Oh, sorry, Jacob. Ahh, oh, read that back, would you Hammond?
 
bluewolf said:
Ok.
Doombar is not British. It's brewed in Burton on Trent and owned by Molsen Coors.
Lidl is German and the steak is an example of goods that can't be made that much cheaper due to the factory farming methods and automation of the butchering process.
Burberry is a luxury goods seller and is not affordable to the majority of the population.
Clarkes shoes have been made in economic zones in China, India, Brazil and Vietnam for the last 12 years. They've only just opened a factory in Britain making desert boots this year. So if your shoes are not desert boots or are more than 6 months old then they're about as British as an iPhone.

Everything you've written illustrates my point beautifully 👍
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Hobbit said:
There's an interesting debate to be had about life expectancy. For example, one of the reasons for the drop is the reduced number of centenarians because of world war 1. Another reason is the flu in both 2016 and 2017 was worse than usual, and the winters harder.

Equally, there are those that said austerity is a reason not to be ignored. But if that is the case, why did expectancy continue to rise from 2008, that start of the crash, right the way through to 2016, 8 years later? Business conditions, closures and redundancies started climbing in Aug 2008 but were back to pre-Aug 2008 levels by Oct 2009. Employment is at its best number in over 40 years. Homelessness has risen year on year for the last 8 years, and by significant numbers too...

One thing's for sure, a different government is required. Whether thats Conservative or other I don't care. But a change is needed.
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Is the life expectancy drop not down to much higher levels of obesity and diabetes in the younger OAP's.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Is the life expectancy drop not down to much higher levels of obesity and diabetes in the younger OAP's.
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Shorter life expectancy must be a bonus for any government of any colour. In an ideal world people would work their whole lives and then drop dead the day after they retire - ideal for the government, not so much for the person that has dropped dead. State pensions are a massive part of the benefits system and getting rid of them, by everyone dying the day after they are due to receive them, would mean more money for everything else.

Not that I agree with the state pension being called a "benefit" as for the vast majority they have worked their whole lives and paid in to the system so they are simply getting the promised return on their investment.
 
bluewolf said:
Ok.

Clarkes shoes have been made in economic zones in China, India, Brazil and Vietnam for the last 12 years.
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My BiL has lived over in China for over 10yrs now. One of the things that always amuses him is the sight of the Chinese boarding the plane in the UK back to China, loaded with boxes of Clarkes shoes. They know they are made over in China but the Chinese don't trust what they see in their shops as they believe everything to be fake, with good reason. The shoes get made in China, are shipped to the UK to be bought by Chinese people to take back to China. Madness.
 
Good thread showing that Corbyn is in fantasy unicorn land as well. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1070859040660443136.html

Particularly liked the tweet 'What Labour is doing here is precisely what the Tory Govt has done throughout this process with the present disastrous results. They are ignoring the realities of what is possible, and what EU27's views and red lines are to sell Unicorns made of unobtainium'
 
Hobbit said:
Both you and clubchamp are right.

The Home Office had a campaign in 2013 that had phone numbers on the side of vans as well as go home now or risk arrest. It got pulled following an uproar.
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Well not really, nothing to do with the Brexit campaign, although no doubt did help to further ingrain the anti-foreigner rhetoric and feelings in England pushed by the Mail, Express & their ilk.
 
MegaSteve said:
Properly puzzled... As I thought DoomBar hailed from Cornwall brewed by Sharps,,,
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It used to be. Back when it was a lovely pint. Now it's been sold, the recipe has been changed and the mash efficiency has been increased to above 100%. This means that the brewing process is now almost totally automated.
It's still a decent pint, it's just not Doombar anymore.
 
bluewolf said:
If I could be so bold as to put forward a theory..

It's dawned on me that a sizable percentage of the Leave vote have done so because of their utter disillusionment with the Political Classes. They were probably quite unhappy before the Expenses Scandal, but are utterly furious now that nothing appears to have happened. the Banking Scandal has also added petrol to the flames.

They have now taken the first available opportunity to reject a Political Body (A General Election would not provide this outlet as they would have to vote for another Party anyway). They have vented their ire at an Organisation (The EU) that is clearly riddled with the same issues as more local Government. Who can blame them for that?

However, what if that particular troubled organisation is actually one that holds the other more local troubled organisation in check? What if what they have actually done is to place more power in the hands of those who caused most of the problems in the first place. What if, by virtue of the Referendum, we have actually made things much much worse? We have put power into the hands of the much vaunted Global Elite (Corporations). Now wouldn't that be a kick in the nuts?

Anyway, just my musings whilst I've had my head stuck in spreadsheets for the last 3 days!!!!!!!!
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Can't answer for all those that voted leave...
Basically I am anti establishment and question why government/bureaucracy feels it has the need/right to interfere as much as it does into our lives... Truly believe there are way too many layers of bureaucracy and the only thing they appear good at is creating more bureaucracy to the benefit of themselves... I also feel Brussels are largely at fault creating policies and mechanisms which have allowed/encouraged 'big business' to prosper at the expense of 'regular folk'...
 
MegaSteve said:
Can't answer for all those that voted leave...
Basically I am anti establishment and question why government/bureaucracy feels it has the need/right to interfere as much as it does into our lives... Truly believe there are way too many layers of bureaucracy and the only thing they appear good at is creating more bureaucracy to the benefit of themselves... I also feel Brussels are largely at fault creating policies and mechanisms which have allowed/encouraged 'big business' to prosper at the expense of 'regular folk'...
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The layer of bureaucracy that absolutely burns my ass! The police and crime commissioners. An example, Vera Bird, the ex-Labour MP who lost her seat several years back. A failed politician gets the ‘safe seat’ as an elected commissioner in a Labour area. Don’t spend money on this, spend it directly on the Police service. They bring in these positions and the service continues to go backwards due to lack of funding.
 
Hobbit said:
The layer of bureaucracy that absolutely burns my ass! The police and crime commissioners. An example, Vera Bird, the ex-Labour MP who lost her seat several years back. A failed politician gets the ‘safe seat’ as an elected commissioner in a Labour area. Don’t spend money on this, spend it directly on the Police service. They bring in these positions and the service continues to go backwards due to lack of funding.
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Failed politician, huge waste of money, now a Dame :mad::mad::mad:.
 
bluewolf said:
It used to be. Back when it was a lovely pint. Now it's been sold, the recipe has been changed and the mash efficiency has been increased to above 100%. This means that the brewing process is now almost totally automated.
It's still a decent pint, it's just not Doombar anymore.
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The fact that it's brewed in Burton is not the issue, Burton was still in the UK last time I went there. Does this mean the workers had a 90% pay cut then.
A British Steak from Lidl was still made in the UK, did the producer get a 90% pay cut.
My Barbour Jacket is 10 years old and still holding together, it's not really a luxury brand but more of a good quality British brand and great value for money seeing it keeps a British worker employed and spreading the cost works out very reasonable. Did Barbour employees get a 90% wage cut.
I accept I was wrong with the Clarke's shoes but it's good to hear they are returning some production to Street. Will these employees get a 90% wage cut.
 
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