Boris the PM - a new beginning

[PNWokingham]

They do indeed, one country has a say over the others as long as it suites the ruling country, old fashioned imperialism.

Scotland and Wales suffered underfunding for years, this is what has caused Nationalism in these countries, Ni won't be far away from asking of a UI, so forgive me and others on here tdon;t agree what England thinks is best for Scotland isn't what Scotland wants or deserves

If i were BoJo, I would set a date of 2034 to have another vote if the Scottish parliament at that time wants it. Is 20 years a generation - it will do. Then in the meantime, it gives Scotland 15 years to see if balancing the books is something that they are capable of, how negatively/positively Brexit affects them and also answer several of the other questions of currency for post Scotchit and what that that will mean in terms of joining the EU - i.e. have the EU set out what criteria need fulfilling so the people of Scotland fully understand.

 

[patricks148]

Just out of curiosity (and ignorance).. why do the SNP have a noose as their logo/emblem ?

If i told you i would have to kill you

 

[Foxholer]

Just out of curiosity (and ignorance).. why do the SNP have a noose as their logo/emblem ?

Google's your friend!

 

[GB72]

If i were BoJo, I would set a date of 2034 to have another vote if the Scottish parliament at that time wants it. Is 20 years a generation - it will do. Then in the meantime, it gives Scotland 15 years to see if balancing the books is something that they are capable of, how negatively/positively Brexit affects them and also answer several of the other questions of currency for post Scotchit and what that that will mean in terms of joining the EU - i.e. have the EU set out what criteria need fulfilling so the people of Scotland fully understand.

Actually a sensible idea, kick the can down the road whilst also taking some of the wind out of the SNP sails in the short to medium term by giving them what they want. Phrase it along the lines of it not being a meaningful vote until Brexit has had a chance to settle down and bed in.

Going to be an interesting few months. Boris has a large majority and a manifesto written in very broad strokes so very few policy ties. Would like to see how it pans out now.

 

[Mudball]

Google's your friend!

Googling it makes no sense.. If someone has to explain a brand pic..

Despite the fact that the National Party of Scotland (1928), became the Scottish National Party after merging with the smaller, Scottish Party in 1933, people still aren’t sure what their logo actually is. Some people see it as a ribbon, whereas others see it as a kind of Celtic symbol.

The truth is that the SNP logo actually a stylised combination of the “Saltire”, the diagonal cross on the Scottish flag, and a thistle, the national flower of Scotland. While the Saltire is the cross that the Romans apparently crucified St Andrew on, the thistle is their ancient symbol of nobility. In other words, they’re going for heritage, culture, and dignity.

 

[ger147]

Fixed Term Parliament Act going in the bin according to rumours re. what will be in the Queen's speech.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Fixed Term Parliament Act going in the bin according to rumours re. what will be in the Queen's speech.

It has not really worked has it? If it is not working, bin it off.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Fixed Term Parliament Act going in the bin according to rumours re. what will be in the Queen's speech.

It was in their manifesto, so not a big surprise.

 

[ger147]

It has not really worked has it? If it is not working, bin it off.

It was introduced by Cameron as part of the price of the Lib Dems going into the coalition. It was the LD's guarantee that DC couldn't ditch them via a snap election as soon as the opinion polls turned in his favour.

No surprise it's getting binned.

 

[ger147]

It was in their manifesto, so not a big surprise.

Very few manifesto "pledges" make it onto the statute books in my experience

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Very few manifesto "pledges" make it onto the statute books in my experience

Normally only those that strengthen the “winners” position.

 

[Foxholer]

Googling it makes no sense.. If someone has to explain a brand pic..

Despite the fact that the National Party of Scotland (1928), became the Scottish National Party after merging with the smaller, Scottish Party in 1933, people still aren’t sure what their logo actually is. Some people see it as a ribbon, whereas others see it as a kind of Celtic symbol.

The truth is that the SNP logo actually a stylised combination of the “Saltire”, the diagonal cross on the Scottish flag, and a thistle, the national flower of Scotland. While the Saltire is the cross that the Romans apparently crucified St Andrew on, the thistle is their ancient symbol of nobility. In other words, they’re going for heritage, culture, and dignity.

Did Google give you the answer? Yes.

Does the answer make sense? That's up to you!

 

[PhilTheFragger]

If i were BoJo, I would set a date of 2034 to have another vote if the Scottish parliament at that time wants it. Is 20 years a generation - it will do. Then in the meantime, it gives Scotland 15 years to see if balancing the books is something that they are capable of, how negatively/positively Brexit affects them and also answer several of the other questions of currency for post Scotchit and what that that will mean in terms of joining the EU - i.e. have the EU set out what criteria need fulfilling so the people of Scotland fully understand.

Actually a sensible idea, kick the can down the road whilst also taking some of the wind out of the SNP sails in the short to medium term by giving them what they want. Phrase it along the lines of it not being a meaningful vote until Brexit has had a chance to settle down and bed in.

Going to be an interesting few months. Boris has a large majority and a manifesto written in very broad strokes so very few policy ties. Would like to see how it pans out now.

It might seem like a good idea now, it certainly would take the wind out of the SNP sails,
But
Fast forward 14 years to the build up to indyref2034. As with any target date, the build up equals a period of uncertainty beforehand, which could be a couple of years or so.

The economy doesn’t like uncertainty, it leads to underinvestment , so if this idea goes ahead, they have 14 years to show Scotland that they do not need the SNP.

Definitely going to be an interesting few years

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Giving Goldsmith a Life Peerage for doing absolutely nothing but lose elections is pretty much a kick in the teeth for democracy, Morgan I can sort of live with as she resigned as an MP and wasn’t rejected by her constituents.

So now we have we 2 unelected officials in the Cabinet on £70K a year.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Giving Goldsmith a Life Peerage for doing absolutely nothing but lose elections is pretty much a kick in the teeth for democracy, Morgan I can sort of live with as she resigned as an MP and wasn’t rejected by her constituents.

So now we have we 2 unelected officials in the Cabinet on £70K a year.

I'm hugely against the Honours system, it has been abused for years. This type of thing has gone on for decades now, giving peerages to your mates when they lose a seat, retire etc. The Lords needs binning off, being unlected should exclude you from cabinet (and can I also end the whole Honours system? Give people a medal, not a title. Works in other countries)

Rant over

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm hugely against the Honours system, it has been abused for years. This type of thing has gone on for decades now, giving peerages to your mates when they lose a seat, retire etc. The Lords needs binning off, being unlected should exclude you from cabinet (and can I also end the whole Honours system? Give people a medal, not a title. Works in other countries)

Rant over

I’ve no problem any Government bringing in temporary specialists to advise/help on certain subjects etc.
But to bring Goldsmith back the day after he was rejected by the public with a life peerage absolutely stinks.
He’s done nothing to deserve that award, he’s not got the background or experience to be invaluable to the Cabinet.
Job for the boys!
Equally frustrating Blair did it twice.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I’ve no problem any Government bringing in temporary specialists to advise/help on certain subjects etc.
But to bring Goldsmith back the day after he was rejected by the public with a life peerage absolutely stinks.
He’s done nothing to deserve that award, he’s not got the background or experience to be invaluable to the Cabinet.
Job for the boys!
Equally frustrating Blair did it twice.

They have all done it. Harold Wilson is credited with being the first to do it in such a cynical way, but everyone since him has been as bad. I agree with you, employ them as advisors but Dame Nicky Morgan, for services to incompetence? and Lord Goldsmith, services to election defeats? It sticks in the throat. If we meet them we are expected to use the title . Not bloomin likely.

Not long now until we get the New Years Honours List and I can get angry all over again .

 

[Deleted member 16999]

They have all done it. Harold Wilson is credited with being the first to do it in such a cynical way, but everyone since him has been as bad. I agree with you, employ them as advisors but Dame Nicky Morgan, for services to incompetence? and Lord Goldsmith, services to election defeats? It sticks in the throat. If we meet them we are expected to use the title . Not bloomin likely.

Not long now until we get the New Years Honours List and I can get angry all over again .

Probably see some of boris’s pals like Cummings get an award.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Probably see some of boris’s pals like Cummings get an award.

Theresa May gave honours to her two failed advisors so why not? In Cummings defence, horrible man by the way, at least he delivered a stonking victory. Saying all that, all of these people are getting rewards for simply doing their job. They don't do it for free, they get paid. (rant clearly not yet over )

 

[PNWokingham]

Giving Goldsmith a Life Peerage for doing absolutely nothing but lose elections is pretty much a kick in the teeth for democracy, Morgan I can sort of live with as she resigned as an MP and wasn’t rejected by her constituents.

So now we have we 2 unelected officials in the Cabinet on £70K a year.

i agree - very hard to argue any case for Goldsmith being deserving of a peerage